Have you compared the total number of commercial multi-engine land certificates awarded per year to the total number of upcoming retirements in the US? After we decimate the regionals, we're gonna be left hiring UAV operators. Sorry about your computer.

I don't know why you edited the part of my post that directly answered your question.

Hope is not a plan. We don't do baseball arbitration.

You are saying we will be pushed up from the bottom? I think you are putting the cart before the horse. The magnetic attraction of the top pay and progression to the top pay is what draws people into the job.

While you're looking up history, maybe you can post WAL's financial results, pilot pay rates and furlough list from 83-84 as well.

It was T-Square's nirvana...DC-10 and B737 paid almost the same...:D

Don't you guys have an internal alpa email system to task each other?:D

I only bring up the WAL thing because it seems to be a key component of people's argument with regard to what our west coast route structure should look like. They obviously were a nobody though. Of all the west coast airlines in the 80s, 1 remains. That doesn't surprise me at all. I mean look what happened to PSA.

So you're saying when someone decides what airline to make a career out of, they don't look at first year pay when they make a decision?

I know hope isn't a plan. But keep hoping. That's about all pontificating on a web board is.

I was trying to save space. Plus I think your rationale was incorrect. So I deleted it and addressed specific points.

Apparently today was the release of the new Onboard Safety Videos. There's two versions and they're actually pretty funny and well done in my opinion. For those who can't get enough of 'Deltalina' and her finger wave, she makes a cameo appearance (I find her freakish looking)

Version One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZW20cEfdk

Version Two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4apfa1O2MWw

I can only speak from my perspective. First year pay had zero bearing on where I applied...zero. I am glad our new hire pay has gone up, I took $25K out of savings my 1st year.

Yup this web board is a total waste of time.

What was incorrect about my rationale? The uncomfortable truth of it? I talk to pilots all the time that are north of 50, mortgaged to their eyeballs and flying until they are sick. They are certainly not ready to line up for a job action. 60-40 yeah, we are tigers.

Quick Sim Question:

I got S47B, and S47A on my line. I imagine those are sim locations? Can't find a reference yet and thought this would be the quickest way to find out!:D

I have nothing but time to waste. Maybe I should write a book. I'm definitely not going back to school, although an MBA might help my rationale with things.

When you look at the last of the Mohicans at Comair, or the guys at Mesa that could hold 747A slots with their years of service, or any other really senior guy on a seniority list that isn't making what we do, a common thread is that they couldn't take the pay cut at year 1 at a major, so they just never left. So while it had no bearing on where you applied, I certainly wouldn't have given Delta much thought had they not paid more first year than where I was at. After almost a decade puttering around in RJs I was deep in debt. So I get it. Different strokes for different folks, but I get it.

All I'm saying is that going forward the majority in place now, is rapidly going to get replaced by the minority that's in that stack of 11000 apps. And if you aren't setting a good example about why we should be getting paid more, SJS, and the decimated RJ contracts are going to make $102.02 at third year pay look incredible. Perspective perspective perspective.

All I'm saying, in direct response to your statement about guys mortgaged to their eyeballs is that people need to be aware of their surroundings and their actual (not perceived) value to their employer. Good decision making is tough when the money is flowing, but I'd rather take a series of stable, metered pay increases, than swing for a home run, only to see the home run overturned by instant replay. See what I'm getting at?