I'm sorry Shiz, but this made me laugh. I heard this years ago when the first crjs showed up. They were sold to the membership as developing the routes for mainline...how could that go wrong?:rolleyes:

Zackly!!

The perception (which may be reality) is that the council chairs really are not subject matter experts (SMEs), but instead some pilot shirt that gets briefed by the salaried employees who have their own empires to build and maintain. The pilot shirt then becomes external to the organization except to be the (theoretical) SME (face) to the pilot group.

The teenage girl thing is a great analogy. Recall the A330 crewrest email chain. Sheesh, what a bunch of "thankless, tireless" work for the Delta pilots.

Never mind

Right, Scambo. I've met some of these guys over time, and many I have respect for in terms of their intelligence and capabilities. I actually think highly of the guy I believe is on here as Alfa, based on the ALPA forum, and his work for the group. But when it comes to the rivalries, and some of the nonsense that they find important, I'm unimpressed.

I think a lot of it is still an extension of the NvS mentality, and maybe a clash of MEC cultures, and how one group had a gravy train, and is upset at the fact another group is riding a different kind of gravy trains, but frankly, the average pilot doesn't GAFF about MEC culture issues, and doesn't ever get to see a gravy train even go by.

Add to that a sort of apathetic approach to supervising our union, and you don't know which is the chicken or the egg: the dismayed line guy, and the union guy that feels completely free to get engrossed in... whater this is.

We get what we deserve, I suppose.

You've finally written something on which we can agree.;)

Yup :rolleyes:

No you don't.

so it looks as if you guys are buying us, we are either the next comair, or the next destroy, rebuild and sell for huge profits. I have always wondered this question, maybe someone can answer it for me. I am not suggesting that this should happen or that we even deserve it but what is the difference lets say between delta buying alaska and delta buying pinnacle. Both have unions but in one case it would trigger a pilot seniority list integration and in the other it does nothing. What does your scope clause say about this or does nothing happen because one is a regional? Its just a question that I have always been curious about. What is ALPA nationals position on the matter? Also, please dont view this post as a regional punk just trying to get to mainline, Im just trying to understand policy in these situations.

An autocratic, authoritarian, secretive, "none of your business" administration of our union leads to the line guys being dismayed and apathetic. The Chicken laid the egg and tries to keep the Chicks in line. As the chicks realize the Chicken is nothing more than a tyrant fattened by being the largest animal in the barnyard, the chicks get increasingly apathetic about the health of said Chicken. After all, after laying the egg, the Chicken contributed little to the brood.

A better barnyard would be use the chicks, chicken and rooster to protect the perimeter from incursion from other hungry birds.

It would seem we invite crows, pigeons and even a couple of hawks into our barnyard ... then we hear the adult birds squawk about "unity" wondering why we aren't all Chickens!

double-nevermind.

No kidding? So he's lying, as he's trying to out you?

Wow.