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georgetg 01-04-2013 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1323542)
...george: "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."

I should have merely said: How do you know? It has only been 3 days since the new Chairman took office.

Why does my above comment have anything to do with the new chairman?
  • In May 2012 I inquired via my rep about specifics on the production balance of the Transatlantic JV.
  • The respective TA JV expert promised me to get a response.
  • I re-inquired in November 2012.
  • I have yet to receive a response. That's why I said "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
Please explain to me how that has anything to do with being critical of a new administration or am I missing something?

Cheers
George

NuGuy 01-04-2013 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1323817)
There is no conflict of interest because ALPA will not acknowledge one. Admitting there's a problem is the first step.

Hmph....

Nu

scambo1 01-04-2013 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323812)
It is reported from multiple sources that ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.

Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.

I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.

Is ALPA trying to get decertified at DAL?

Bucking Bar 01-04-2013 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1323824)
Is ALPA trying to get decertified at DAL?

No.

It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.

In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.

Flamer 01-04-2013 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323831)
No.

It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.

In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.

The next step is autonomous changes to the constitution and bylaws by national to correct this little problem in the future. Far fetched? Not as far fetched as I would like it to be. Draw some coralaries here to other governing bodies as you see fit.

Purple Drank 01-04-2013 05:35 PM

Why again do we need ALPA? For ALPA "legal?" Ha.

Why are we sending our money to National? We must at or near the top of dues-producing groups. If that doesn't buy us some extra consideration, then it's time to bail.

I'm tired of hearing about how "no other representation can be as effective on Day 1 as ALPA."

What exactly about ALPA is even the slightest bit "effective?" If Delta pilots are refused a seat at the table to discuss our scope...that's pretty damn ineffective.

Purple Drank 01-04-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323831)

It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.

do you see this changing...ever? when is enough, enough?

if Delta pilots can't get help from national, we don't need to be sending them any more money.

I'm sure dues from Pinnacle will allow Moak et. al. to continue their ridiculously extravagant standard of living.

forgot to bid 01-04-2013 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323812)
It is reported from multiple sources that ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.

Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.

I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.

Trying to be surprised... and shocked... trying so hard but unable.

forgot to bid 01-04-2013 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323831)
No.

It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.

In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.

If they don't abide by the Constitution and Bylaws, and DALPA doesn't have a problem with it or sides with LM/ALPA... who is to stop them?

full of luv 01-04-2013 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323831)
No.

It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.

In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.

This is bringing back memories of the 'ole, we can't challenge RAH buying Frontier as a scope violation because it's a "subsidiary" again. It does seem as though scope is only defendable when a very narrow set of conditions is met.:eek:


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