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nerd2009 01-04-2013 05:54 PM

I went to grab some popcorn for this, but I think I will eat a doughnut

forgot to bid 01-04-2013 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1323862)
This is bringing back memories of the 'ole, we can't challenge RAH buying Frontier as a scope violation because it's a "subsidiary" again. It does seem as though scope is only defendable when a very narrow set of conditions is met.:eek:

Well, if the RAH debacle set a precedence it's that in C2015 we'll make what happened a violation of the contract and then we'll give Pinnacle and any other airline an exemption to continue amending our Section 1 without us.

forgot to bid 01-04-2013 06:04 PM

Of course, if we terminate the Connection Agreement with Pinnacle, then doesn't the requirement that Pinnacle always have 41 jumbo RJs?

Fly4hire 01-04-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323812)
It is reported from multiple sources that ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.

Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.

I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.

Word I got from my reps, who I actually spoke with, is while there are concerns, the MEC has not yet been briefed and it is still under review. Wholly owned, announced just yesterday may have other considerations. I think today's code-a-phone covered it and said its still under review.

I'd rather have the correct answer than the wrong one fast, and if someone's interpretation disagrees with yours doesn't mean it's a cover up, conflict of interest or conspiracy.



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scambo1 01-04-2013 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1323929)
Word I got from my reps, who I actually spoke with, is while there are concerns, the MEC has not yet been briefed and it is still under review. Wholly owned, announced just yesterday may have other considerations. I think today's code-a-phone covered it and said its still under review.

I'd rather have the correct answer than the wrong one fast, and if someone's interpretation disagrees with yours doesn't mean it's a cover up, conflict of interest or conspiracy.



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In general, I agree that one should wait to see where the dust settles before making a judgement on whether "the system" works.

However, as a backdrop, in the case of ALPA, with the RAH scope violation that "wasn't" a scope violation that later became a contract carveout exemption, I don't trust "the system."

If the correct answer of which you speak comes out to be "Yeah, sure, Delta doesn't have to include DALPA when they impact DALPA scope"...and ALPA is good with that...

What say you then? Are you good with that?

Express pilot 01-04-2013 07:40 PM

Johnny Football. Grew up in the Austin area just like Drew Brees. Brees was a big UT fan as Johnny. UT didn't want them. If you win the state Texas 5A at QB. You might want to take a chance on the QB if he wants to come to your school.

Fly4hire 01-04-2013 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1323940)
In general, I agree that one should wait to see where the dust settles before making a judgement on whether "the system" works.

However, as a backdrop, in the case of ALPA, with the RAH scope violation that "wasn't" a scope violation that later became a contract carveout exemption, I don't trust "the system."

If the correct answer of which you speak comes out to be "Yeah, sure, Delta doesn't have to include DALPA when they impact DALPA scope"...and ALPA is good with that...

What say you then? Are you good with that?

I'm a firm believer in trust but verify. If after verification the answer stands up to scrutiny I'm OK even if I don't like it. I don't get to yell "fire" in a theater because I didn't like the film.

forgot to bid 01-04-2013 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1323942)
Johnny Football. Grew up in the Austin area just like Drew Brees. Brees was a big UT fan as Johnny. UT didn't want them. If you win the state Texas 5A at QB. You might want to take a chance on the QB if he wants to come to your school.

My question is, when is the NCAA going to ban Oklahoma from bowl games? The Oklahoma Rule? No matter how good their regular season was, they don't get to go.

Express pilot 01-04-2013 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1323947)
My question is, when is the NCAA going to ban Oklahoma from bowl games? The Oklahoma Rule? No matter how good their regular season was, they don't get to go.

Good point. Love talking football with you forgot to bid. Let Auburn play. They looked real good with the number 2 at QB.
Can't wait for a playoff. Then I can be a true NCAA football fan.

80ktsClamp 01-04-2013 08:23 PM

At the hospital for baby 80! See yall on the other side. :)


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