Just anecdotal, but the fastest rotations always seem to be the single seat guys. Not all of course, but overall that's my impression. CRJ guys have their own quirks as do those darn tanker guys. Don't even get me started on the AFA guys. And those P3 types never stop eating. At least the P3 guys don't over-rotate (and they wear their hats).

Could be, I just don't know. As a 14 year FO, I've never had the pleasure of flying with a new hire.

Fighter guys should show up with a clear understanding that rotation rates are variable depending on takeoff conditions. A clean F16 at sea level on a cold day vs a war load at bagram in July. Very different airplanes, very different takeoffs.

Can we talk about the Noise Abatement climb out of John Wayne now?

That was always my favorite, in a light 757 full pwr, it was quite fun.

25 degrees nose up coming at you! But don't forget to make the PA first.

Guess you'll have to wait until you hold a Captain's seat and start flying with newhires! Great point about the F-16 load variations and airfield elevations.

The only B-1 that I've witnessed with tail damage was one that was refueled improperly causing it to fall back on its tail. Oh, and the one gear up landing we had overseas.

I saw a lot of F-16s with tail damage from landing. Very easy to hit the speedbrakes if you got too slow. I also saw guys hit the strakes, nozzle, and the horizontal stab...took some serious ham-fisting to make that happen.

Yup, flaps 20 and run the power up and then release brakes.

I remember taking off in an F-4 with 3 full external tanks, 6 MK-82's and an ECM pod. It was a 100 degree day and could barely feel the burners kick in. Also remember taking off MSY-LAX, flaps 25 and a loooong take off rol on RWY 01. 10/28 was closed.

Thanks Timbo,

You had to remind me that I was previously able to hold all SNA lines on the LAX 737 (sparing Buzz the long drive south) until they totally disappeared from our Bid package. Still hoping for some SNA this summer.

Scoop :)

I flew an empty A319 from EWR to PHL as a reposition for a charter with only 7,000 lbs of gas. And we had an MEL requiring a full thrust takeoff. Oh my - it was like riding a mechanical bull.

Was that overseas one at Diego Garcia? I remember one sitting on the ramp for quite a while back in 2002 (just a few months after the guys punched out of one just north of the island). Gucci boyz did a fine job on that S&R.