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Alfa, you have gone off the deep end. BTW, I just opened my nice little ALPA PAC package. Thanks for the pin and sticker.
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What happened to all the aircraft rumors?
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1386828)
Look at the millions of dollars and dozens of Gucci loafers that Middle East carriers are spending to lobby our government to allow these carriers to take over our flying. "Low fares", "hot flight attendants", etc. etc. etc.
What those carriers want right now is for the US pilots to fracture into little groups of independent unions, each trying to protect their own little piece of turf, so that there is no consistent, powerful, single voice to represent US pilots and their jobs in front of Congress. I would not be surprised to see them trying in the future to subsidize the DPA, UPU, and these other splinter groups to try to help destroy the voice of ALPA. I know that there is a lot of frustration over a really crappy decade of this profession, but if that frustration forces us to splinter apart and become subject to attack on multiple fronts from these carriers then we will have truly not learned a thing from this consolidation. Just at the time that we are advancing our careers back, not fast enough but as fast as we can, it would be insane for us to break apart and let these people come and buy their way into stealing our jobs forever. Once they are gone they are gone forever. The DPA is now just an organization dedicated to spewing bile about ALPA. They have no agenda. Their lawyer Lee Seham, helps finance and support this bile spewing as it has made him millions of dollars from labor groups and he has delivered almost nothing in return. Look at USAPA, all their dues money went to him and they haven't had a pay raise in 7 years. Their seniority fight is almost over and they are losing so it was all for nothing. I think it is clear that the Delta pilots are not going to be the next set of chumps to fall for this ruse. Is there some point where the DPA folks will rise up from their bitterness and look around at what the real threats are in this industry? How are we going to counter these well organized, well financed threats if we continue to fracture? United we stand, divided we fall. You act as if this happened in a vacuum and now our only hope is ALPA to reverse it. But ALPA's been who we've charged to spearhead this on our behalf for decades! Your attempt to ignore the failings that got us here is not going to help your demand for "one more chance". Carl |
Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1387600)
100 votes and this crud is over with!
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1387655)
Rather than be vitriolic about the vino we need to take back our union. 100 votes at an LEC meeting would pass a resolution.
Carl |
Originally Posted by firstmob
(Post 1387760)
What happened to all the aircraft rumors?
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1387544)
These arguments are laughable. The ALPA President...needs a place to entertain guests, sorry but that is the way Washington works... Grow up. (Safe from Sequester: $704,198 for Gardening at NATO Ambassador): Safe from Sequester: $704,198 for Gardening at NATO Ambassador’s Home. (CNSNews.com) - Just over a week after sequestration took effect, the State Department allotted more than $700,000 for gardening at a U.S. Ambassador’s residence in Brussels, Belgium. On March 11, State awarded a contract to provide gardening services at an “official residence” of the U.S. Mission in Belgium. A State Department spokesperson confirmed to CNSNews.com that the contract is for Truman Hall, a historic property that serves at the residence of the Ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The current U.S. ambassador to NATO is Ivo H. Daalder, who was appointed by President Barack Obama in May 2009. The total award comes to $704,198.30, including $134,744 for the base year and four one-year option periods thereafter. A State Department spokesperson said that Truman Hall regularly hosts visitors from the 28 NATO nations and other Alliance partner countries around the world and is a valuable platform for America’s diplomacy. The award provides for grass cutting, edging, trimming, weeding, and other gardening and landscaping services. It will also mandate the planting of 960 violas, tulips, and begonias. Truman Hall, named after former President Harry S. Truman, was built in 1963 by Architect B.A. Jacquemotte and Landscape Architect René Pechère. The 28-acre property consists of several gardens, meadows and a lawn pavilion. The award came just 10 days after automatic across-the-board cuts, known as the sequester, took effect on March 1. Prior to the cuts taking effect, Secretary of State John Kerry warned that the sequester could “seriously impair our ability to execute our vital missions of national security, diplomacy and development.” In a letter to Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) on Feb. 11, Kerry said sequestration means $2.6 billion less in fiscal year 2013 for State Department programs. "These cuts would severely impair our efforts to enhance the security of U.S. government facilities overseas and ensure the safety of the thousands of U.S. diplomats serving the American people abroad," he said. In addition to Truman Hall, the State Department is currently soliciting gardening services for U.S. Embassies in Jakarta, Indonesia; Santiago, Chile; Maseru, Lesotho; and Bangkok, Thailand. The solicitation for the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta places a maximum amount of $500,000. A State Department spokesperson said the award for Truman Hall was made at the lowest price technically acceptable, at a total cost of $704,198.30. The contract was awarded to Iris Greencare, a landscaping company based in Brussels. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1387361)
WRT doughnuts, if ALPA would stop doing stupid stuff, they would probably go away.
Carl |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1387720)
I'm trying to place myself in that situation--eating like a million dollar celebrity or Goldman Sachs Exec, but on someone else's dime (that someone being the guy who's forced to pay a nice amount out of his hard earned pay every year to have me represent him). I'm sure the "This is how it's done" wink from my fellow officials would be tempting, but if I didn't take a stand and step back from the trough and say "This isn't right.", then I don't think I could look myself in the mirror.
There is a difference between working for a Company where you just made a deal that netted 41 million cash to the bottom line and doing service work where your stated intention is to improve the lives of others (Church Board, Habitat for Humanity, etc...) ALPA politicians are big on talking "service." Then something like this hits the press then their claims of service appear hypocritical. IMHO the hours involved in ALPA work do indeed make it service. There are no two ways about it. ALPA folks, particularly our Reps, put in many hours which are uncompensated. My guess is that those with a strong moral compass see a waste of dues and feel pretty badly about it. A few have privately voiced their concerns. Those who are critical of this sort of expenditure might want to look at what was achieved and evaluate the result on it's objective merits. Are some impressionable folks bought off by a tour of the wealth of the King? I dunno, but it would not surprise me at all. Particularly when we see Reps vote against the members who put them there. We have a responsibility to manage our association. Those who raised this issue should put some names on it and motions for recall, if appropriate. If they don't then this is just divisive and we should let it go. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1387544)
Are these Delta pilots posting here or are their teenage kids posting for them.
When you are required to travel for business, the business pays for it. When you layover in a hotel Delta pays for it. When you take a van to get to the hotel Delta pays for it. When you take a soda pop from the galley Delta pays for it. When you get a crew meal on an international leg, Delta pays for it at the same time they are paying you per diem. When you go to training Delta pays for the hotel, the simulator, your meals. In fact, even if you live in Atlanta Delta still pays for a hotel. No one forced you to take this job, so you should just shut up and quit complaining and accept anything that is handed to you. Right? Isn't that the next logical step in your argument. These arguments are laughable. The ALPA President is required to travel and stay in Washington. He needs a place to entertain guests, sorry but that is the way Washington works. ALPA reimburses him for these expenses that are required by his job. They are not extra income. He also leases a car, the exact same car that he drives at home. He is reimbursed for those expenses. You can turn any of these stupid arguments that you guys bring up here and turn right on their heads and use them against you. Nobody forced you to work for Delta, nobody is forcing you to stay at Delta so shut up or quit. How does that feel? Grow up. Make them stay on topic. Carl |
Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1387735)
“Consensus: “The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner: ‘I stand for consensus?”
― Margaret Thatcher Apparently some of their market read a twitter that said: "nowthatcher'sdead" and read it "Now That Cher's Dead." I am not kidding. |
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