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80ktsClamp 04-09-2013 09:41 PM

Kaley Cuoco.


http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp...aley-cuoco.jpg

Because boobs.


Also, boobs.

alfaromeo 04-09-2013 09:52 PM

Well, it's good to see the arguments have devolved even more. Most of the arguments are now at the level of "well, if Billy gets a Snickers then I get a Snickers." You are all over the map so I will try to answer some of these ridiculous points.

First, I don't know anything about any dinner, I was answering questions about the ALPA President's compensation.

Second, I commute up to DTW and when I have to buy a hotel room I get a room at the Courtyard because I have my points with them. I pay for the hotel like every other commuter. Here is the difference, when I am watching ESPN in the Courtyard I don't have any US Senators or Congressmen in there. I am not lobbying to try to protect the US piloting profession from being handed over to Emirates. If you can't see the difference then there is no point in further discussion. The ALPA President has to have a place to entertain important guests and it is not going to be at the Airport Ramada in Herndon. There is not enough money in the world to make me want to do that job. Sorry, but that is how real business works.

Third, when I did ALPA work a typical week would be to drop a 21 hour trip and then work 50 or 60 hours. So I just have to laugh when you try to paint ALPA work as some sort of princely duty. It sucks, it is harder than flying the line, it never stops, and you make much less money. How many of you guys fly 30 or 40 hours a week for Delta and don't take any flight pay? I thought so.

I run a consulting business and here is how a real business works. When they require me to be away from home I charge them for travel time to and from my home. I charge them for the hotel where I stay. I charge them for the airfare. I charge them for the meals. I charge them at least 8 hours a day or what I work. There is nothing that gets done for free. Conference call - charge it. Run a quick analysis at home - charge it. They gladly pay as this is the way business works.

My wife quit her job last year and my total income was up massively from 2011. That's because, even for only half a year, I charged someone every hour I worked. No more freebies. If I flew a trip then Delta paid the bill if I was working for my clients then they paid the bill. It is amazing how much more money you can make when you are not working for free. This year is going to be much better than the last. In 2011 my hours per month were in the bottom 30% of the pilot group, not this year. This April I will work half the number of hours I did last April and my pay will be double.

It is conversations like this that just make me even more happy that I am not doing ALPA work anymore. There is nothing more frustrating than putting in unpaid hour after unpaid hour and then being accused of being a thief by the people you are working for. Why don't you ask Nu Guy or ACL about how many hours they work uncompensated? I am sure their eyes have been opened. I doubt a day goes by that they don't do some ALPA work.

So yes, it is different for the ALPA President. The guys that are lobbying for Emirates probably get $1,000 an hour and entertain Congressmen at the Ritz. They have an unlimited entertainment budget. They wouldn't even blink at spending $500, 600 or 1,000 a head for dinner. Emirates is spending millions. If you can't see how we need to invest a teeny fraction of our income in protecting our careers then heaven help you.

So please continue on with the ALPA bashing I know it makes you all very happy. I have work to do for my clients and yes they are getting charged for every minute. That is how real business works. It is so much more lucrative not having to work for free.

biigD 04-09-2013 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1387940)
Kaley Cuoco.


http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp...aley-cuoco.jpg

Because boobs.


Also, boobs.

I just see a question mark where your picture should be. Please fix this, as I'm a fan of boobs.

Thank you for your time.

sailingfun 04-10-2013 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387943)
Well, it's good to see the arguments have devolved even more. Most of the arguments are now at the level of "well, if Billy gets a Snickers then I get a Snickers." You are all over the map so I will try to answer some of these ridiculous points.

First, I don't know anything about any dinner, I was answering questions about the ALPA President's compensation.

Second, I commute up to DTW and when I have to buy a hotel room I get a room at the Courtyard because I have my points with them. I pay for the hotel like every other commuter. Here is the difference, when I am watching ESPN in the Courtyard I don't have any US Senators or Congressmen in there. I am not lobbying to try to protect the US piloting profession from being handed over to Emirates. If you can't see the difference then there is no point in further discussion. The ALPA President has to have a place to entertain important guests and it is not going to be at the Airport Ramada in Herndon. There is not enough money in the world to make me want to do that job. Sorry, but that is how real business works.

Third, when I did ALPA work a typical week would be to drop a 21 hour trip and then work 50 or 60 hours. So I just have to laugh when you try to paint ALPA work as some sort of princely duty. It sucks, it is harder than flying the line, it never stops, and you make much less money. How many of you guys fly 30 or 40 hours a week for Delta and don't take any flight pay? I thought so.

I run a consulting business and here is how a real business works. When they require me to be away from home I charge them for travel time to and from my home. I charge them for the hotel where I stay. I charge them for the airfare. I charge them for the meals. I charge them at least 8 hours a day or what I work. There is nothing that gets done for free. Conference call - charge it. Run a quick analysis at home - charge it. They gladly pay as this is the way business works.

My wife quit her job last year and my total income was up massively from 2011. That's because, even for only half a year, I charged someone every hour I worked. No more freebies. If I flew a trip then Delta paid the bill if I was working for my clients then they paid the bill. It is amazing how much more money you can make when you are not working for free. This year is going to be much better than the last. In 2011 my hours per month were in the bottom 30% of the pilot group, not this year. This April I will work half the number of hours I did last April and my pay will be double.

It is conversations like this that just make me even more happy that I am not doing ALPA work anymore. There is nothing more frustrating than putting in unpaid hour after unpaid hour and then being accused of being a thief by the people you are working for. Why don't you ask Nu Guy or ACL about how many hours they work uncompensated? I am sure their eyes have been opened. I doubt a day goes by that they don't do some ALPA work.

So yes, it is different for the ALPA President. The guys that are lobbying for Emirates probably get $1,000 an hour and entertain Congressmen at the Ritz. They have an unlimited entertainment budget. They wouldn't even blink at spending $500, 600 or 1,000 a head for dinner. Emirates is spending millions. If you can't see how we need to invest a teeny fraction of our income in protecting our careers then heaven help you.

So please continue on with the ALPA bashing I know it makes you all very happy. I have work to do for my clients and yes they are getting charged for every minute. That is how real business works. It is so much more lucrative not having to work for free.

I have considered doing some ALPA work. Then I come to my senses! Having in the past had more then one ALPA rep as friends and lived near a couple I could never even consider working that hard. I know of several divorces from ALPA work and the lifestyle simply sucks. I did not become a airline pilot to work that hard and am frankly just way to lazy. I also could not afford the large paycut I would end up taking if working for DALPA full time. The reality of their lifestyle and compensation is far from the forum truth.

TANSTAAFL 04-10-2013 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1387816)
RFP's were issued for narrow and wide bodies. Typically your looking at 3 to 6 months before a decision is made and announced. I doubt Boeing or airbus have even submitted a reply yet. The deal apparently hinges on them taking 50 seat RJ's in trade and approaching DALPA for more 76 seaters.

There, fixed it for you. :eek:

Are these more of the recently acquired RJ's that have expensive lease obligations that Bombardier would need to be compensated for to drop by way of additionally purchased 76 seaters?

If the 717 deal hinged on getting out of the 50 seat leases why wouldn't WB's that require getting rid of 50 seaters hinge on the same? What would Boeing or Airbus do with 50 seaters? They would have to return them to Bombardier as well, and won't do it for a loss, and gee guys, they can't afford these new WB's unless they can dump the 50 seaters.



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AWlVyp4Enj...1600/Deer6.jpg

sailingfun 04-10-2013 04:37 AM

[QUOTE=TANSTAAFL;1387986]There, fixed it for you. :eek:

Are these more of the recently acquired RJ's that have expensive lease obligations that Bombardier would need to be compensated for to drop by way of additionally purchased 76 seaters?

If the 717 deal hinged on getting out of the 50 seat leases why wouldn't WB's that require getting rid of 50 seaters hinge on the same? What would Boeing or Airbus do with 50 seaters? They would have to return them to Bombardier as well, and won't do it for a loss, and gee guys, they can't afford these new WB's unless they can dump the 50 seaters.


They have not approached DALPA and there are no plans to do so. Not sure where your info comes from or who you heard it from.
As far as 50 seaters both Airbus and Boeing regularly take trades and have a marketing arm to move those aircraft. Both Airbus and Boeing will look at their options in taking those aircraft and decide what it is worth for them to pick up a rumored 6.6 billion dollar order. They may decide they don't want them and not respond to the RFP. That is why you put out a RFP. They may have a customer for the aircraft and decide to offer 2 million each in trade or 10,000 dollars each in trade. In the end Delta will negotiate for the best deal they can and Boeing and Airbus will try to get the order if they can make a profit. They might even be willing to take a loss at this point because whoever gets the Bridge widebody order will probably have a leg up for the follow on replacement widebody order which is where the big money will be.

shiznit 04-10-2013 04:41 AM

dalad, ACL, leine and others, thank you for supporting ALPA-PAC.

Why Delta Pays More Than Emirates for Boeing Planes - TheStreet

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
-Benjamin Franklin

Check Essential 04-10-2013 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387943)
when I did ALPA work a typical week would be to drop a 21 hour trip and then work 50 or 60 hours. So I just have to laugh when you try to paint ALPA work as some sort of princely duty. It sucks, it is harder than flying the line, it never stops, and you make much less money.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1387971)
I have considered doing some ALPA work. Then I come to my senses! ... The reality of their lifestyle and compensation is far from the forum truth.

Just to repeat what others have said-
The problem is not with the local councils. I think most of us would acknowledge that the local guys work very hard and are not riding some gravy train.

Its a far different situation in Herndon.
I think most of us feel that those people in the permanent bureaucracy up there are not being good stewards of our dues money. The high end dinners and hospitality suites are not even the problem. The really big money is spent on consultants, lawyers, lobbyists and the various other parasites that attach themselves to any massive "department" up there in Washington.
Its grown into a business that is more interested in sustaining itself than looking after the interests of the little guys who pay the dues.

ALPA National spent $187,545,999.00 last year.
They take 2% of our pay every single month.
The magazine is nice but I just don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.

Columbia 04-10-2013 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1387816)
RFP's were issued for narrow and wide bodies. Typically your looking at 3 to 6 months before a decision is made and announced. I doubt Boeing or airbus have even submitted a reply yet. The deal apparently hinges on them taking 50 seat RJ's in trade.

Why would Boeing need to take in used 50 seaters when ME carriers are buying Billions in aircraft with no requirement for trade ins?
Why Delta Pays More Than Emirates for Boeing Planes - TheStreet

scambo1 04-10-2013 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1388012)
Just to repeat what others have said-
The problem is not with the local councils. I think most of us would acknowledge that the local guys work very hard and are not riding some gravy train.

Its a far different situation in Herndon.
I think most of us feel that those people in the permanent bureaucracy up there are not being good stewards of our dues money. The high end dinners and hospitality suites are not even the problem. The really big money is spent on consultants, lawyers, lobbyists and the various other parasites that attach themselves to any massive "department" up there in Washington.
Its grown into a business that is more interested in sustaining itself than looking after the interests of the little guys who pay the dues.

ALPA National spent $187,545,999.00 last year.
They take 2% of our pay every single month.
The magazine is nice but I just don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.

I hope you didn't hurt Alfa's feelings. :eek:

yeah, I'm a tool.


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