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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1476670)

Geez tough crowd.
We've all been giddy for this order for months now and people are fighting over it. Take it for what it's worth. Good news for now.

Exactly. I wonder if it'll ever be good enough for some.

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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 1476566)

Same pay rate for the 321-319?

No. The A319/320 is considered one Aircraft Type per our contract, but the A321 is not in our current contract. The A321 will require a separate rate to be negotiated.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1476676)

Exactly. I wonder if it'll ever be good enough for some.

Not on this forum or the DALPA forum. The vast majority of glass half full people are outside, enjoying life. The half empty ones are hiding inside, on the interwebs.

http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-conte.../pessimism.jpg

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1476666)

Dial it back? How about you tell the same to the Negative Nancy crowd that dive bombs every shred of good news with doomsday predictions? Everyone knows some B757s will be parked. That's old news. Does anyone honestly think management is going to tell the jittery Wall Street folk that these are pure growth aircraft? They'll freak out and dump our stock. Management has to be very careful about how they announce this to Wall Street.

You're just facing the negative nancies with the same thing of a different flavor. I expect the constant negatives from the uneducated, but you're well versed. Battle it with facts, not Pom poms.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1476668)

Did your dad give you his password to post again?:p

Yup, the fleet plan changed. It will change again. But Timbo got on here and said something "will" happen. Where's your correction of that bad assertion? btw, the fleet plan change added 40 aircraft by 2017...

Maybe you guys ought to dial it back a bit on the certitude. And thanks again for demonstrating your "fair and balanced" approach.:D

What do you mean "you guys?" Racist. ;)

I was pointing out that you shot at his certitude with a post that displayed certitude. Neither were correct as the fleet plan is variable as you correctly stated in your response to me.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1476445)

Got it.. It's not about doing things to help pilots, it's about eliminating ALPA.

Eliminating ALPA is the single biggest thing we could do to help pilots.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1476445)

Hate is not a strategy.

So true, yet your group still uses it as the main tactic. A puzzling waste of your time IMO.

Carl

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1476694)

You're just facing the negative nancies with the same thing of a different flavor. I expect the constant negatives from the uneducated, but you're well versed. Battle it with facts, not Pom poms.

I'm sorry Clamp, but even when I provide facts I'm still lambasted. It really doesn't matter.

Arguing that the fleet plan is variable is moot unless we agree it's variable BOTH ways. So when RA states that this order is part of a fleet renewal program, what are we renewing? What is our fleet? People constantly forget that when management is speaking to the media, our fleet includes DCI. Our capacity includes DCI. So when management states this order is part of our fleet renewal program, is it not possible that they're referring to the plan that is replacing 50 seaters with 76 seaters and B717s? Or DC9-50s with MD90s? Or that we are further reducing our DCI footprint and shifting capacity from DCI to mainline? Or AF/KLM to Delta?

As I said several years ago, a capacity neutral transaction does not mean zero growth for mainline. The terms management uses with Wall Street are not the same as the terms used with us.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1476466)

Bonjour,

Just because.

extremely low level flying in fighter jets - YouTube

Question for you guys that have done this stuff: Do you feel a ground effect cushion as you approach the deck at those speeds?

Carl

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1476647)

Well sure. Clearly they'll park all the 757s in the next 3 years. Especially the ones that they're dumping millions into for lie flat seats and new IFE. And those 767-300ERs that they're doing the same too. Yup. Gonna park them too. ;)

Where did I say they'd park -All- 757's or -ALL- 767's? :rolleyes:

Crew resources said there would be 10 less 757's in 2014.

Why don't you go argue with them?

What part of "Capacity Discipline" do you not understand?

Someone on the DALPA web board pointed out that the term "fleet renewal" is commonly used to decrease overall fleet age. New aircraft could do that without eliminating old aircraft.