I'll be interested to see the updated fleet plan. The benchmark we currently have is 767 airframes at the merger.

Well, buddies on the -88 say that with the stab at 10 degrees or more nose up its unaffected by ground effect in the flare. In fact they say its unaffected by any control input at that point. Brace....

Heck no! I don't think that on September 4, 2000 that anybody had any idea what January 2002-December 2004 would look like.

As others have said, there's good news out there...this echo chamber seems to be disturbed by it (except for Bar...he needs a coffee:D). As johnso points out, you're pretty dang senior and pretty dang young. You didn't get there just through attrition...

I guess since every aircraft is beneath you, it's all right to act old and bitter.:)

I'm getting excited. Last time I was this excited Carl was a junior 747A.

I'm downright giddy about getting the 321 over the 739. The 321 is going to hold 7 more people than the 757 and the pay rate has to be negotiated. While they are likely going to be mostly replacement aircraft, that is a significant "improvement opportunity" (can I start writing alpa press releases now? :) ) and can't be taking lightly.

Where's that video with Cuba Gooding, Jr. yelling "show me the money!"??

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I apologize for the poorly phrased question. I was simply asking if any positive announcements in the past resulted in growth?

9/11 crushed this profession. It brought it to it's knees. It's unfortunate, but it's reality. I've never denied that.

I'm ok with you saying that. And I agree with not getting too spun up. But it's nice to finally hear good news. I've never denied that I can be a overely optimistic at times, but can't we for once acknowledge some good news? Why do we always put a negative spin on it?

And would you agree that your initial post did not imply optimism? What I got out of it was that this would be a purely neutral transaction resulting in no growth. If that wasn't the intent if your statement, then I apologize.

Perhaps he did. But doesn't marketing control expansions? If these are touted as growth aircraft, wouldn't marketing decide when they're actually needed? I know the board has to approve it, but do they typically drive expansions?

I think that will always happen, regardless of who is our CEO. These guys aren't MBAs for nothing. They're smart and they're cunning.

I am sure he has to a point. But I for one will not give in the next round.. Cliche some may say... but the scope language was nailed down and contained. I will not vote for anything that changes scope or allows more JV's regardless of the wide bodies promised.... I am just one vote and it may be "tugging on super mans cape, or spittin into the wind" but a definite no vote if scope or JV's are tied to the order....

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Airbii

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You two clowns love to put words into my mouth!

Why is that?

You've go no other comeback? Where did I say anything was beneath me?

Where?

In fact, just a couple pages ago, I said I'd bid the 717 if they opened an MCO base!

All I'm saying, and pay attention this time, because I've got to go mow the lawn and get ready for work, is the Press Release said they would continue to pursue Capacity Discipline.

What does that mean to you? I know you know more than me, and everybody else, but do you know more than Richard too? :rolleyes: