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Roadkill 08-30-2013 04:47 PM

No AE out... why do they taunt us?

Carl Spackler 08-30-2013 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1473719)
I don't believe that is true. I think Caplinger's hatred for all things ALPA is so deep seeded that he will keep it alive just to continue to poke them in the eye. (Wasn't there original a red line after which, if they didn't have the cards they would go away? Seems that line is about as real as Oboma's) He feels he was betrayed when he got furloughed. He wants revenge. He will miss his target and he is hitting us. I find that offensive. If you buy into his rhetoric, you must believe that negotiating our contract is a very simple thing. If you believe that... truly believe that, then you have a lot to learn about business.

Nobody that I've ever spoken to or whose words I've read has ever stated their support for decertifying ALPA was because of anything Mr. Caplinger has ever said. It's been for any number of various reasons experienced by each individual personally.

Since you've mentioned offensiveness, you should realize that by your comments above, you're stating your belief that thousands of your fellow pilots have signed DPA cards to avenge harm done to Mr. Caplinger.

Carl

Jack Bauer 08-30-2013 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473731)
A fantastic facet of C2012 is the first measurement period isnt until Jan 2014. So the company can (will, in this case) be out of scope compliance without any repercussions until then. The first additional CRJ-900 just flew to MSP today.

That's impossible 80! One of the most valuable assets we have within the ALPA fraternity are top notch lawyers who continually shore up lose language. Therefore this must be some kind of misunderstanding??

Scoop 08-30-2013 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1473741)
That's impossible 80! One of the most valuable assets we have within the ALPA fraternity are top notch lawyers who continually shore up lose language. Therefore this must be some kind of misunderstanding??


If this is true then its almost like DALPA is trying to help the DPA.

Scoop

Carl Spackler 08-30-2013 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1473730)
As long as they are paying Delta for the ability to keep flying them..... which I would bet they are. You know... liquidated damages. Delta is planning on revenue generation from those airplanes. SWA has to do all the mods. They don't deliver... I am sure they will have to pay up. I'm good with that and I am sure a bunch of guys that will continue to have time off are good with it. :D

Yes, but SWA also knows Delta will pay a price because DCI can't fly those brand new 76 seaters that are being delivered now due to our DALPA language prohibiting it until the 717's are delivered . Our DALPA contract language is a big barrier to keep Delta from pressing SWA too hard.

Oh wait...

Carl

80ktsClamp 08-30-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1473743)
If this is true then its almost like DALPA is trying to help the DPA.

Scoop

DALPA's missteps, sales jobs, poor communication, and various other issues the past few years have been the biggest boost for the DPA.

Then Caplinger opens his mouth and promptly reminds us that he is the best promoter of keeping ALPA on property.

Carl Spackler 08-30-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473731)
A fantastic facet of C2012 is the first measurement period isnt until Jan 2014. So the company can (will, in this case) be out of scope compliance without any repercussions until then. The first additional CRJ-900 just flew to MSP today.

An even more fantastic facet is if Jan 2014 shows Delta to be out of compliance, they only have until July 2014 to submit their plan to DALPA of how they plan to get back in to compliance.

Carl

johnso29 08-30-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473731)
A fantastic facet of C2012 is the first measurement period isnt until Jan 2014. So the company can (will, in this case) be out of scope compliance without any repercussions until then. The first additional CRJ-900 just flew to MSP today.

I believe this is incorrect. The company must take delivery of 1.25 B717s before it can take delivery of 1 76 seater. The measurment period relates to how many 50 seaters must be parked for each additional 76 seater above 153. Not 76 seaters coming before B717s.

Scoop 08-30-2013 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1473768)
I believe this is incorrect. The company must take delivery of 1.25 B717s before it can take delivery of 1 76 seater. The measurment period relates to how many 50 seaters must be parked for each additional 76 seater above 153. Not 76 seaters coming before B717s.



That is definitely the way it was advertised, so I hope that is in fact correct. But I wouldn't be too surprised if there was the "Usual Scope loophole" in our contractual wording.

Scoop

80ktsClamp 08-30-2013 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1473768)
I believe this is incorrect. The company must take delivery of 1.25 B717s before it can take delivery of 1 76 seater. The measurment period relates to how many 50 seaters must be parked for each additional 76 seater above 153. Not 76 seaters coming before B717s.

Nope. That's what it was sold as, but the first measurement period isn't until January.


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