That was a line pilot's idea.

Getting late in the day down there in the Mecca....so where is that a/c order announcement we keep hearing about?

At least drop an AE or something before the long holiday weekend sheesh! :D

How was that well said?? He's throwing blame at the pilots putting in the cards via a long winded stream of words. That's looking at the symptoms and ignoring the underlying cause.

To me he was saying that we need to all work together to improve our profession and not take acts that do more harm than good.

ALPA has its faults for sure. I don't believe DPA is a better choice.

I've been wondering when we'd see you pop up again. Welcome back! :D

TC call out the troops in response to Kingsley's letter?

In response to your post above, the 2 do not even come close to equating - apples and oranges. The scourge he refers to is DPA, the organization - it is not targeted at any individual.

I've heard him speak multiple times over the last few weeks. He is adamant that no one is to be belittled, insulted, ostracized, etc for having filled out a DPA card. IMO he has exhibited the very spirit of inclusive union leadership in this regard. Like this message board, and any other form of written communication, it is very easy to have your words misconstrued. The "scourge" outrage is misplaced. He has very clearly stated that all Delta pilots are ALPA members and will be treated as such.

As an addition to that, I think one needs to remember that so far this is nothing but a website and an idea...a vehicle for a decertification vote and a template for the building of a new union by membership majority decisions. What has caused thousands of members to sign on to a website and an idea?

Now some ALPA folks have said it's because thousands of Delta pilots have bought into lies and misrepresentations. Telling fellow Delta pilots that they're not bright enough to detect lies and misrepresentations is probably not a good way to win hearts and minds. Other ALPA folks claim that the union challenger has almost no members at all outside of one guy still bitter about his furlough. Then why put out a scathing "scourge" letter in response to a small naysayer with no chance of winning?

These inconsistencies will need to be addressed a little better by DALPA if they truly wish to bring clarity to this debate.

Carl

+1

Reminds me of my EX girlfriend. Whenever I called her out on being lame she'd get mad at me for being mad at her. Meanwhile, she never corrected her bad behavior. We are no longer dating.

That's exactly correct. We haven't just lost pay, but we've given and incredibly we continue to give productivity away. We are light years away from the part time, well compensated career this used to be. 20 percent pay raises considering how much we all work now is just not worth it. Its called a sell out, something the union should have stood firm against. At some point, we could all just fly FAR max, need doctor notes, take 'vacation' on our days off, give up our pensions and accept cola 'raises', all while permitting wholesale outsourcing of our jobs across the entire spectrum of flying... Then why have a union at all? Wait, we're practically there already!:eek:

Thank you.

Trying to win hearts and minds again are we? And yes, he called me out to come here and remind everyone what bad judgment he showed in his previous emails. :rolleyes:

You're missing my point. It has nothing to do with whom or what the "scourge" comment was referencing. The fact he used such hyperbolic language at all shows a lack of ability to control your emotions. It was bad judgment for a leader to exhibit.

I guess that would be like the "fair share" outrage was misplaced with regard to our union describing Delta flying done by our JV partners instead of Delta pilots.

Kingsley would do well to retract his "scourge" comments. It does nothing but harden people's positions. As a leader, he should know better.

Carl

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Change quote

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