Carl,

In my opinion, Endeavor is clearly an alter ego.

On the basis of ALPA's regulatory framework; Endeavor is an airline performing flying which we permit in our Section 1. In ALPA's opinion, Endeavor is not an alter ego.

My (and your) opinion does not matter unless we get the help of men like us to change the political landscape and the policies that result.

Say DPA wins and becomes the enforcer of our current PWA, as well as the negotiator for C2015, what then? Is DPA going to require the sunset of our express jet flying? What about economic reality? What about feed and the fact that increasing express costs too much will result in less feed, feed which eventually finds its way to your jet at the top of the food chain? Economically, I do not know that we can get any progress without enormous flexibility.

The cost of extending our seniority list down, as Pan Am did with Ransome, is much smaller than any other alternative. IMHO, our best, most pragmatic, option for scope restoration is unity. Expanding as ancient Rome did, by making those conquered "Romans."

The DPA just isn't going that direction. ALPA, sorta, is. ALPA gives us the ability to coordinate and work together for our common goals. DPA does not.

Thanks and Yippee!

I didn't forget them at all. Look what you stated above. "When we merged." This question of Compass was asked and answered by the Delta MEC led by Mr. Moak. You know how that question was answered. Compass pilots were removed from representational possibility when we merged.

I understand what you were trying to accomplish there however.

Carl

Hey, but under condition of web board anonymity, all rights are hereby reserved to complete denial of the foregoing affirmation .... if I can figure out some way to make an alter ego flight out of Endeavor, I will :)

I am sure not one regional guy would ever want any pilot to lose his job at DAL or any major. The more pilots positions reduced or removed at any major is also one less job available to the regional pilots trying to get on with the majors as positions or openings become available. So couldn't DAL pilots choose one DCI or try to combine all the DCI's into one and make them something like "B" scale DAL pilots? You can then have the same test and interview like it is now before moving up to the major side. That is everything remains like it is now for DAL pilots or better.

Wow. That was a quick flip-flop.

I presume then, that in your opinion, so is Expressjet, Chataqua, Republic, Skywest and all the rest, since they are all performing flying which we permit in our Section 1?

I thought they got booted nearly two years after. Chairman Moak or somebody probably saw me coming on "craft and class" inclusion before I even thought of it myself.

As stated earlier, DPA has no structure for this yet because the Delta pilots haven't voted yet. But you have to ask yourself: How's ALPA doing so far with this interest coordination and profession promoting? What do the various pilot groups think of it? Is ALPA's foundation becoming stronger as a result?

Pilots are beginning to provide the answers for ALPA in this regard. And panic appears to be setting in.

Carl

PG,

First, I am an ALPA member and at the end of the day my union speaks for me. That's my official answer.

Among friends, I am one opinion out of 11,500 or so. My opinion pretty much is summed up in Flying the Line I & II. I grew up in this business ... when coming out of Lorenzo's Texas Air fiasco we formally declared that alter egos in any form to be the greatest threat to our profession and they were not to be tolerated under any circumstances.

I believe the changes in 1998 were wrong and will eventually destroy our union if left unchecked. The DPA is just the most recent boil which provides an objective indication of the deeper underlying pathology. Will this localized infection spread and kill it's host? I dunno, hope not.

Frankly, Contract 2012 and the recovery of Delta flying leads me to see objective signs of recovery, or at least progressive management of the disease. I figured the DPA, like a fever, would be on the decline with outward signs of improving conditions.

So yes in my opinion Endeavor is an "alter ego." If asked for a legal, or factual opinion (not that I'm licensed to practice anything) I would say that Endeavor is not currently considered an alter ego by anyone who matters.

Surely you can appreciate the difference.

Sir, that is too late. Over 2000 DAL/NWA mainline pilots lost their jobs to the growing Regional Monster (BBBBBB SCALE) a few years back. The REGIONAL MONSTER became huge, had quick upgrades, flew capable mainline jets and operated under 3rd world salaries. Now the Regional Monster has gotten so out of hand, that its' pilots think they should automatically be on the Mainline List.

I dont agree with B scale, I dont agree with Regional Airlines flying BIG RJs either. When you are qualified, you INTERVIEW! Just like all of us. There is no easy way to make it. The only reason I see Delta and ALPA wanting flow throughs is that it introduces eager, former low paid, mediocre work rule exposed pilots to our Mainline list. This influx of eager pilots dilute our ranks. These new pilots would gladly accept 7 SC a month with pay raises of 4-8.5-3-3. This is the plan and the black helicopter just got shot down.:cool:

Jethikoki, sir, as I told you before, stop trying to find the easy way in. Stop comparing others ability to flow thru or merge thru. Concentrate on your talents, be diligent and award yourself with an offer of employment. It feels much better earned than having it handed to you.

Good Day.

TEN