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Sir, that is too late. Over 2000 DAL/NWA mainline pilots lost their jobs to the growing Regional Monster (BBBBBB SCALE) a few years back.

Good Day.

TEN

True, but do you understand the changes ALPA made in 1998 that facilitated what started to happen four years later?

Alter Ego airlines should have never been allowed in the first place. But, now that we have them there are two possible answers if we decide to repair the situation, negotiate contracts that their involvement in our "Company flying," or try to find ways to work with them and absorb them as we can. Of the two possible solutions (and I'm for either one) the second is more economically viable.

JobHopper

08-31-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1474091)

Can someone explain this to me: I have a taxable amount of $44.03 on my paycheck for Delta provided life insurance ($500k, I believe). Now while I like the idea of getting "free" life insurance, a taxable amount of $88 a month seems pretty high. A 45 year old can lock in a $500k term policy for 20 years at about $25 a month (which would then take him out to age 65). Gotta wonder why the $88/mo value being placed on this benefit. What am I missing?

The IRS taxes "value", much like their recent efforts to tax people's frequent flyer miles for the "value" those add to their lives. The insurance adds value to our career, so they make us pay.

There are most certainly pilots on the list today who have returned from cancer, heart issues, etc., who would have a difficult, if not impossible time, finding life insurance. This company "freebie" may be the only game in town for them.

Lastly, the $88 is taxed at your marginal tax rate, so you are probably only paying $20 or so a month for it.

boog123

08-31-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1474154)

True, but ........?

Thank you, no more questions....

TenYearsGone

08-31-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1474154)

True, but do you understand the changes ALPA made in 1998 that facilitated what started to happen four years later?

Management took advantage of the events (9/11, dot.com, etc) that unfolded. They ramped up all the regionals, furloughed a lot of mainline pilots and successfully created the minor leagues (B Scale Whipsaw Tool).

Alpa allowed this shift even promoted it by allowing mainline furloughees to go sit right seat on an RJ.

The cookie jar is definitely contaminated.:eek:

TEN

boog123

08-31-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1474159)

And the thing that amazes me is that guys think there has been some sort of permanent cap put on the size of the rj's. In the best environment lately, many more 76 seates were added. Just one burp and the 100 seater will be a reality, IMO.

nwaf16dude

08-31-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1474164)

It took a bankruptcy filing to get from 70 to 76 seats, so why are you so sure we are going to just give up another 24 seats?

Pineapple Guy

08-31-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1474164)

The line remained at 70 for 20+ years. It was only under bankruptcy, that it moved to 76. I think we're much more than "just one burp" away from 77 seats, much less 100.

Mesabah

08-31-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1474164)

The 100 was already a reality at UsAir. Thing is, it didn't work. Delta gains nothing by putting the 100 seat at a regional. The 76 seater is the 50 seat replacement jet. It wouldn't surprise me to see around 500 CRJ700/900/ERJ170/175, in the next 10 years. Small airports are better served by a CRJ 700/900, which can then be rotated into higher yield routes. The CRJ 200 can't do the type of flying that the 900/700 can do, and the 200 doesn't have first class. Once the 50 seaters are gone, Delta will be putting up billboards everywhere saying it has first class to every destination. That's the goal.

jethikoki

08-31-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1474151)

Sir, that is too late. Over 2000 DAL/NWA mainline pilots lost their jobs to the growing Regional Monster (BBBBBB SCALE) a few years back. The REGIONAL MONSTER became huge, had quick upgrades, flew capable mainline jets and operated under 3rd world salaries. Now the Regional Monster has gotten so out of hand, that its' pilots think they should automatically be on the Mainline List.

I dont agree with B scale, I dont agree with Regional Airlines flying BIG RJs either. When you are qualified, you INTERVIEW! Just like all of us. There is no easy way to make it. The only reason I see Delta and ALPA wanting flow throughs is that it introduces eager, former low paid, mediocre work rule exposed pilots to our Mainline list. This influx of eager pilots dilute our ranks. These new pilots would gladly accept 7 SC a month with pay raises of 4-8.5-3-3. This is the plan and the black helicopter just got shot down.:cool:

Jethikoki, sir, as I told you before, stop trying to find the easy way in. Stop comparing others ability to flow thru or merge thru. Concentrate on your talents, be diligent and award yourself with an offer of employment. It feels much better earned than having it handed to you.

Good Day.

TEN

Thanks for your reply and I am not looking for an easy way into anything. Think what you will but moving on to a major is NOT in my best interests. I agree with some things you say but how best may the DCI and Delta pilots move forward without offending DAL pilots?

forgot to bid

08-31-2013 12:00 PM

The question is whether they could happily squeeze another 2 rows into a CR9? If so then the argument for allowing it is under constructive engagement.... they're not ordering new planes... makes them more profitable which goes right back into your pocket (same reason to allow more 76ers last year)...you're not losing mainline pilot seats because of it you're just allowing airplanes already being flown to be more profitable...

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