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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474319)

And exactly how did they do that?

Are you for real, bro? :confused:

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1474381)

Johnso, you're correct, but I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place, if memory serves.

But Johnson said pinnacle wasn't liquidating and they would have stayed in business without Deltas help. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474383)

That could be correct (i like making things up). I only remember a lawsuit being filed. Regardless, DALPA has no control over whom DAL provides financing to. Right?

So you make now up your own facts, amirite?

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1474420)

So you make now up your own facts, amirite?

Well pretty much everyone else does, so why shouldn't I join? Amirite?

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1474418)

But Johnson said pinnacle wasn't liquidating and they would have stayed in business without Deltas help. :rolleyes:

Pardon my inaccuracies. I know you're infallible. :rolleyes:

So since you're always correct, can DALPA control who DAL gives $$$ to?

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1474384)

Are you for real, bro? :confused:

Well the problem with most of your statements, or claims, is that you can't back them up. I usually do. Am I always right? No. But also I do admit when I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474383)

That could be correct. I only remember a lawsuit being filed. Regardless, DALPA has no control over whom DAL provides financing to. Right?

You're absolutely right about that.

My only point to the historical revisionists (not you) is that Delta had a financial and contractual obligation for almost all the RJ lift at PCL whether they liquidated or reorganized. And that obligation had a significant input into the Delta network.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1474376)

So please tell me that if Pinnacle/Endeavor had liquidated, how many RJ's would Delta still have had ownership responsibility for? Hint: the answer was in the bankruptcy disclosures, and it was 141 CRJ-200 and 41 CRJ-900. PCL was only obligated to 16 CRJ-900, and those along with the former Colgan Q400 were the first aircraft they rejected in court. Oh, and tell me what Delta would have looked like with the loss of 1/3 of DCI over the summer...I think they were about 8% of our domestic network.

You choose to ignore reality. Your view would have not been the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.

Sounds like a incredible opportunity (maybe the only one we'll ever get) to convince the company those airplanes belonged at main line.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1474109)

Carl,

As you might imagine, there are times when I get involved in local politics. My family never considers moving. We think we live in a great place. As a citizen it is our role to get involved and maintain, or improve that standard for those who come after us. You seem to be of a like mind on this kind of action.

Yes I am.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1474109)

Therefore, I propose we clean up the garbage around our own neighborhood which has clean water and good schools.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1474109)

In my view, joining the DPA would be like moving to Iran because there's a fight over parking spaces and the local tow company charges $500 to get your car out of impound.

This is where you go off the rails, and with Kingsley's letter...you're not alone. The correct analogy is one of political party affiliation. I'm a conservative. I want good outcomes for our nation probably similar to most liberals. But I'm used to being told by liberals that what I really want is to starve children by canceling school lunches and lynch people of color because conservatism is really just all about racism.

When you call my participation in a democratic process (joining the DPA) "like moving to Iran", it's the same eye rolling level of hyperbole most conservatives have become accustomed to. It doesn't move the ball at all, and it never will.

Carl

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1474376)

You are ignoring the fact a host of the RJ contracts are coming up and would not need to be renewed (this also was part of
the "time limited opportunity" along with engine overhaul requirements). Management needed to quickly implement a program to switch out and renew contracts before heaven forbid someone from the union fought against outsourced C-scale pilots performing Delta flying. Focus on the the 717 yall....don't watch what I am doing with this other hand.

Management and you fail to bring that up though. Your response is so management groupthink ingrained you completely overlooked the obvious answer to your own question..."Oh, and tell me what Delta would have looked like with the loss of 1/3 of DCI over the summer...I think they were about 8% of our domestic network."

The answer: A transition program implemented well ahead of time to keep the planes flying.....By DELTA MAINLINE PILOTS!