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Well you'll need to provide proof of the contract expiration dates and proof that the contracts would not need to be renewed. Because the 10-K info that I saw from Skywest/ASA shows that their CPAs were good through 2022.

IIRC, only portions of the CPAs were good through 2022. It's a phased thing. Remember seeing the commitments published during C2012? The 50 seaters were goners down to what numbers we will be seeing, just C2012 moved it up a year or two.

DoubleTrouble

08-31-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474521)

Really? DPA has been campaigning for 3+ years. They have failed to call a vote yet. If ALPA was "failing to do it's job", then DPA could've easily called a vote by now. But after 3+ years, they still can't call a vote. This is Tim Caplinger dragging out his personal vendetta. Like USAPA, he's doing nothing except creating division and wasting $$$.

Yes, the DPA has been campaigning for 3+ years. The reason we are discussing the topic, the reason that ALPA is now addressing it, is 4000 plus pilots signed a card.

But go ahead and believe, or claim, that the 4000 pilots did it because they believe it is in their best interest to help one pilot with a personal vendetta.

If this turns into a real ***** fest about individual(s) and not the issues, then it will really get ugly and we will fragment.

Timbo

09-01-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1474513)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3VdGUoz8Of...rying+bama.jpg

"They don't mean it, they don't know who the real Lee is, don't be upset honey... they're just cyber bullies... by the way is it a bad time to tell you that Jesse guy posted pics of me once? And nobody even bothered to quote it."

Just look at that poor bastrd's face! :eek:

It proves the point; no matter how good looking she is, or thinks she is, there is some guy, some where, who is tired of lisntening to her sh!t... :D

Jack Bauer

09-01-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474518)

What exactly is misleading and untrue? If you're going to accuse me of something, then you need to be specific.

Are you stating that DALPA has control over how DAL management spends $$$? Are you stating that we as pilots had control? Could DAL have not provided the financing necessary for Pinnacle to stay afloat without our current contract? From what I have been told by Pinnacle pilots, 9e had the youngest CRJ-200s in the DCI fleet. So explain to me how DALPA screwed up. Or better yet, tell me how DPA would've done it better.

Have you already forgotten you stated this below as fact (not "maybe" or "you think"):

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Pinnacle wasn't liquidating. They would've stayed in business without Delta's help. They had other creditors lined up. As a matter of fact, there was a lawsuit filed to attempt to stop Delta from financing Pinnacle's exit from BK. Someone else wanted to do it.

Slows facts fly in the face of your facts. Here's what he said which is diametrically opposed to what you said:

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I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place

Jack Bauer

09-01-2013 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1474527)

That's what I recall as well. Anybody have the original expiration dates of outsourced RJ flyinig (not contracts that have been tweaked or renewed already)?

Pancake

09-01-2013 02:49 AM

Just noticed fresh B-717 markings on the ramp in FWA (Fort Wayne, IN).

Fly4hire

09-01-2013 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pancake (Post 1474550)

Just noticed fresh B-717 markings on the ramp in FWA (Fort Wayne, IN).

So where is that new AE for DTW717A?

forgot to bid

09-01-2013 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pancake (Post 1474550)

Just noticed fresh B-717 markings on the ramp in FWA (Fort Wayne, IN).

I also still see A321W everywhere too.

forgot to bid

09-01-2013 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1474527)

yeah I totally remember a conversation about why allow more 76ers just to move the 50ers up a short time.

was there a chart for that?

Columbia

09-01-2013 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1474460)

And this is exactly why DALPA's reputation is waning. With the leverage we had as stated by you above, we got COLA pay raises fully funded by productivity concessions and profit sharing reductions. 5 LEC reps agreed and stated it was why they weren't voting yes for C2012. Yet DALPA still defends the actions to the hilt, calls a competing organization a "scourge" and complains about everyone misunderstanding their use of the term "our fair share of the flying."

This is just part of DALPA's current disconnect with its members.

Carl

Yep-got completely played. DALs market capitalization has increased by $7 Billion since the contract ratification. Historic profits, stock options payouts, stock buy backs, dividend payments and dalpa fell for the bluff at the poker table that there was simply no more $$$ to be had. And even after the hands have been flopped on the table, dalpa still defends its playing of the hand?

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