Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1474316)

What's puzzling is why you and ALPA "misrepresented what the deal actually was and why it was available at that time" before, during, and after the high-pressure sales pitch on C2012.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1474307)

That wasn't the reason.

Management wanted out of a bunch of 50 seat CRJ. They were under contract to DCI carriers for flying and had ownership costs and network commitments that needed to be addressed. Adding the B717 was one component of the network, but they had to find a way to get out of 50 seat contracts and ownership costs. The additional 40 76 seat jets that they've ordered were used to "buy out" the contracts that they otherwise would have been unable to get out of.

Because of management's need we got a fleet size and block hour collar put around DCI, among a whole bunch of other things.

It is puzzling to me why folks misrepresent what the deal actually was and why it was available at that time.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1474279)

jethikoki,

I hope my tone is not offending you. I wish you the best at whatever your goal is. I know with a little diligence and hard work, "the world is your oyster"!!

Offending DAL pilots? I think a guaranteed interview (once a DCI pilot has met the minimums plus a certain amount of time at DCI) from DCI to Delta is appropriate.

My honest and true wish is that any airplanes with "Delta" painted on it, be flown by Delta pilots. Period.

Have a good day,

TEN

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1474349)

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You people are waaaaay too serious. How 'bout some football?

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1474244)

Isn't 2004 the year that DALPA won the FMII arbitration (grievance) and start bringing guys back?

Second question, the No GS thing was a court order and Delta was trying to get out of C2K prior to it's amendable date. Do you think there was leverage to do a no GS campaign and have the court order removed and not start affecting C2K for the pilots still at work?

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1474340)

How many jets could have been reduced by not salvaging Pinnacle/Endeavor? Seems there are other ways these 50 seat obligations (many under contracts approaching their expiration date) could have been reduced. You choose to propagate the management solution which is not the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1474340)

How many jets could have been reduced by not salvaging Pinnacle/Endeavor? Seems there are other ways these 50 seat obligations (many under contracts approaching their expiration date) could have been reduced. You choose to propagate the management solution which is not the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1474370)

Pinnacle wasn't liquidating. They would've stayed in business without Delta's help. They had other creditors lined up. As a matter of fact, there was a lawsuit filed to attempt to stop Delta from financing Pinnacle's exit from BK. Someone else wanted to do it.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1474381)

Johnso, you're correct, but I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place, if memory serves.