Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1433242)

I must be some kind of mutant, raised by aliens.

I have never wanted to work for a living, that's why I took flying lessons. When I was a kid, I had to dig ditches, mow lawns, shovel driveways, and frame houses to pay for my flying lessons, so I could then, maybe, someday...Not Work all summer!

My dad was a general aviation CFI, and freight pilot. All his friends were airline pilots...usually on furlough. They never bragged about how much money they made, they bragged about taking the summer off to enjoy their boats! (grew up in NH, "summer" is about 8 weeks, from end of June to beginning of Aug. which is why I live in FL now :D)

W. T. F. good is working for money, if you cannot enjoy your time off? I work just enough to make my mortgage, on a house I bought as a F/O 17 years ago. I have never, in nearly 28 years, flown a green slip.

I'd much rather spend that time out on a sailboat, or just sitting on the beach, drinking a beer, watching the sunset. I have never understood the Wh0re mentality when it comes to flying more.

My favorite "Green Slip" is when they call me to buy a trip (only twice in the past 7 years) and I get to stay home and get paid. Or when I was an F/O, and they pulled me off the trip for an IOE.

Or as one guy said, "The problem with green slips is, you have to FLY them!":eek:

Originally Posted by ZAv8tor (Post 1433257)

That is not even remotely close to how Vacation Any works. You are still limited to the LCW just like everyone else. In reality, using VA may make your post-award ability to pick up time using PCS very difficult depending on where and in how many pieces the VAC days end up on your schedule.

Nice rant though!

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1433217)

When I left in 2011, there were just rumblings of the VNAV push, but it seemed pretty gimmicky and useful only in certain situations to me. When I did the requal sims the instructors never said anything about our use of IAS until the LOE, then there was some post flight hinting that he was shocked we didn't use VNAV.

When I came back thru OE in Feb, I used IAS, thinking same old same old. The LCA basically said- Nice, now do it the right way with VNAV.

Since then I think I've seen one Capt use IAS, and he was an old SLC refugee who moved up to MSP.

And if you ever fly a MSP trip and start using IAS, take a peek at the Capt- I will bet he is looking at you like you are a monkey f--ing a football.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1433289)

Since when did the company get on to you for no AP/no FD?

On every fleet I've flown at DL (88, 767, 73N, and 320), flying with no AP and no FD is perfectly ok unless you're flying an approach down to minimums. No autothrust has been encouraged when the AP is turned off on all fleets I've flown as well.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1433244)

How many guys has ALK hired over the past 10 years?

I would think that the last 5 years would probably go date of hire integration wise in an ISL, but I have no idea how it would work out. I've heard people mention fences, but even then I'm not sure how well that would work. What would be fenced aircraft? Bases?

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1433244)

How many guys has ALK hired over the past 10 years?

I would think that the last 5 years would probably go date of hire integration wise in an ISL, but I have no idea how it would work out. I've heard people mention fences, but even then I'm not sure how well that would work. What would be fenced aircraft? Bases?

Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1433203)

BB....You are correct yet again. Let's be honest. A merger with the Alaska guys would effectively end our career progression. (Bottom 1000-2000 guys) It is not realistic to think we would hold much seniority over any Alaska new hires. They are still hiring as we speak. Sticking around DAL at that point would only be a stop gap until UAL/AA picked you up. As we sit today, a new hire at UAL will have greater seniority in 6 months of hiring than the entire 2010 hiring group has after 3 years. I cannot picture sitting junior reserve in NYC for the next decade plus....:confused:

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1433318)

Why wouldn't DAL guys hired in the last 10-12 years not have seniority over AK new hires? Especially those guys holding WB positions? Answer: they will. Where I see the rub is NB guys hired since 2010. There will be WB and base fences in my opinion. More senior DAL NB guys will be the most negatively impacted.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1433301)

I strongly disagree.

Let's look at DALPA's own example from PBS Notepad 13-03.


Scenario 2: One week of vacation resulting in two blocks

Bidder has one PVAC week worth 22:45 from 09-15 June.
Result: Vacation Any is honored and places PVAC in two blocks, 06 June and 15-20 June.

1. Start Pairings
2. Set Condition Vacation Any
PVAC 2013-06-06 00:00 2013-06-06 23:59 (003:15)
PVAC 2013-06-15 00:00 2013-06-20 23:59 (019:30)
Honored
(2 Awarded, 2 Matching, Running total: 022:45)
3. Award Pairings If Departing On Monday, Wednesday, Friday If Pairing Length = 1 days
C603 2013-06-05 06:37 2013-06-05 17:00 (007:53) (A)
C610 2013-06-10 07:45 2013-06-10 18:16 (007:59) (A)
C282 2013-06-12 10:25 2013-06-12 17:49 (005:15) (A)
C610 2013-06-14 07:45 2013-06-14 18:16 (007:59) (A)
C610 2013-06-21 07:45 2013-06-21 18:16 (007:59) (A)
C610 2013-06-24 07:45 2013-06-24 18:16 (007:59) (A)
C610 2013-06-26 07:45 2013-06-26 18:16 (007:59) (A)
C610 2013-06-28 07:45 2013-06-28 18:16 (007:59) (A)
Schedule is complete: 43
(8 Awarded, 32 Matching, Running total: 083:47)

This guy is able to split his vacation that should have started on June 9th. As a result he can bid for and receive Rotations C610, C282 and another C610 for a nice 83:47 month.

Sure, its possible he could have used other trips to construct a line worth the same but it would presumably be less desirable and more difficult and the further you get down the category list and the fewer trips remain the more difficult it will be. He might not get those sweet one day trips worth 8 hours.

So our example pilot is able to more easily build a complete line and more easily build it to the top of the LCW.
That will happen on down the list.
The result of all that will be more trips covered by guys with vacations and fewer trips remaining in open time and fewer reserves required to cover the open flying.

Riddle me this --
What is the purpose of 'Vacation Any"?