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Jack Bauer 06-23-2013 06:15 PM

Could this new hand flying "practice" in the sim be a result of Air France Flight 447?

"In the agency's final report, which was released today, investigators determined that a combination of technical failures and mistakes made by inadequately trained pilots was responsible for the crash. They recommended that pilots be better trained to manually fly commercial aircraft at high altitudes..."

It seems the First Officer had become so reliant on automation (and was probably trained in one of those european ab initio training cram jobs) he could not recognize what was happening when the airplane entered a stall...calling for the Captain to come help (the Captain was temporarily out of the cockpit). Watch the video with cvr text below and the video that follows.

Air France Flight 447 Crash 'Didn't Have to Happen,' Expert Says - ABC News

Purple Drank 06-23-2013 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1433364)
they're talking about in the Sim on the next cycle. in the airplane? I seriously doubt it.

I hope that's the case!

Purple Drank 06-23-2013 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1433362)
And note that you stated it is your perception, and it is completely flawed.

How is it you're able to judge another person's perception to be "flawed?" :confused:

I can assure you my perception is not flawed. It might not be the same as yours. But it doesn't have to be.

Scoop 06-23-2013 06:22 PM

[QUOTE=Timbo;1433242]I must be some kind of mutant, raised by aliens.

I have never wanted to work for a living, that's why I took flying lessons. When I was a kid, I had to dig ditches, mow lawns, shovel driveways, and frame houses to pay for my flying lessons, so I could then, maybe, someday...Not Work all summer!

My dad was a general aviation CFI, and freight pilot. All his friends were airline pilots...usually on furlough. They never bragged about how much money they made, they bragged about taking the summer off to enjoy their boats! (grew up in NH, "summer" is about 8 weeks, from end of June to beginning of Aug. which is why I live in FL now :D)



End of June until the beginning of August - 8 Weeks??? I guess high school math teacher was out of the question even though they get the summers off too. :)

Only kidding Timbo. These very important issues (most issues) are best discussed on the water with a cold one. If I ever get a good MCO layover the first round is on me!

Scoop

80ktsClamp 06-23-2013 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1433372)
How is it you're able to judge another person's perception to be "flawed?" :confused:

I can assure you my perception is not flawed. It might not be the same as yours. But it doesn't have to be.

You stated that your perception was that you would be heavily debriefed. That is an invalid perception. I.E. flawed.

Carl Spackler 06-23-2013 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1433350)
Has there been a push for AP/FD-off flying on the 744? 330?

We just got a memo on it for the 744 fleet. I do it all the time anyway to keep up my hand flying skills and scan, but the vast majority does not. I think it's a good thing, but in baby steps for those pilots who weren't already doing it.

Carl

buzzpat 06-23-2013 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1433324)
We have pilots here who were hired 13 to 14 years ago who aren't exactly senior on the MD88, 73N or 320 in Atlanta.

While Delta not no credit for it's fleet in the most recent merger, we can bet the Alaska guys will want to merge right at the 73N. In Atlanta that's Captains who can't quite hold the lines they want on the 777. It's more senior than those who buy the Best of Carson on VHS.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...4prpkL57c5vT5g

I'm at 12 years and junior in LA. I have no doubt that an Alaska merger will destroy my QOL. My point is that their new hires will not negatively affect our most recent hires in the SIL. NB guys in bases shared by AK will suffer. I think there'll be WB and base fences. ATL should be ok. LAX and SEA will take it in the shorts.

ShyGuy 06-23-2013 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1433386)
I'm at 12 years and junior in LA. I have no doubt that an Alaska merger will destroy my QOL. My point is that their new hires will not negatively affect our most recent hires in the SIL. NB guys in bases shared by AK will suffer. I think there'll be WB and base fences. ATL should be ok. LAX and SEA will take it in the shorts.

Merge with VX. You can have all the SFO and LAX you want! :)

80ktsClamp 06-23-2013 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1433386)
I'm at 12 years and junior in LA. I have no doubt that an Alaska merger will destroy my QOL. My point is that their new hires will not negatively affect our most recent hires in the SIL. NB guys in bases shared by AK will suffer. I think there'll be WB and base fences. ATL should be ok. LAX and SEA will take it in the shorts.

SEA isn't a hub, amirite? (brilliant move, dalpa...)

When are you moving to ATL, buzz? ;) Wait.. I'm in ATL, and you're senior to me... how about DTW! They have nice summers in MSP, dontchaknow?

Timbo 06-23-2013 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=Scoop;1433375]

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1433242)
I must be some kind of mutant, raised by aliens.

I have never wanted to work for a living, that's why I took flying lessons. When I was a kid, I had to dig ditches, mow lawns, shovel driveways, and frame houses to pay for my flying lessons, so I could then, maybe, someday...Not Work all summer!

My dad was a general aviation CFI, and freight pilot. All his friends were airline pilots...usually on furlough. They never bragged about how much money they made, they bragged about taking the summer off to enjoy their boats! (grew up in NH, "summer" is about 8 weeks, from end of June to beginning of Aug. which is why I live in FL now :D)



End of June until the beginning of August - 8 Weeks??? I guess high school math teacher was out of the question even though they get the summers off too. :)

Only kidding Timbo. These very important issues (most issues) are best discussed on the water with a cold one. If I ever get a good MCO layover the first round is on me!

Scoop

I was thinking mid June to mid Aug, about 8 weeks is all we get up theya'. You get down to MCO and we'll have a few and solve all Delta's problems, no doubt! ;)


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