I believe 20 years is correct. I think it was also for the planes on property at point in time. If there were a merger today and Delta ordered more 777, 747, A330's, or some A350's for example (ie new category or category is grown bigger) then the fences would not apply and Alaska guys could bid those aircraft. If I am not mistaken some Republic MD-80 Captains were able to move to 747 Captain in this way.

Hire Date:

Top 25%=1979-1992
Next 25%=1991-1998
Next 25%=1999-2002
Bottom 25%=2002-2013

Age 65 retirements over the next 10 years:

2013-11
2014-24
2015-22
2016-65
2017-38
2018-41
2019-49
2020-55
2021-54
2022-55

As of today pilots over 60 YOA:

154

Total on property:

1,472

There would have to be 30+ year fences in order to keep those hired at DAL in 2008+ and now in their 30s from suffering irreparable harm as it relates to flying as widebody CA the last 5 years of their careers. Something like fences off all wide bodies until the current most junior DAL pilot retires.

So, what's the over/under on late July early August advance entitlement prospects? Will it include spots for new aircraft announced after the BOD meeting in late July? Or are they holding off on aircraft orders until the fall/winter timeframe? Surely someone on here has some insider information. Also, the announced 250 new FA's to be hired this fall and hiring continuing into next year for "new mainline flying" is all over the Deltanet. Are they training them to be pilots also?

Our reps are good guys but they still need to learn how to say no to Lee Moak.

So far they've been unable to do that.

As I read the contract, if you called out sick for a trip. Then called in well during the last day. You still get paid or you can fly a trip for sick credit. Will it effect a GS?

Would never happen. Easier to throw incentives/money/stock to the entire group and put up fences that protect guys for 10 years. No one much cares what the bottom 25% of Delta thinks for the next 5 years. /truth

Thanks for the info. Any idea on how many guys have been hired there since 2007?

Obviously, you are not LAX based. The times they are a' changing. Gate kungfu, new DAL mainline up and down the west coast, etc. The AK roulette is coming to a head. They may have been KING at one time, RA is calling their hand as we now fly mainline from SEA and PDX to LAX. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, FU.

IMHO, AK has overplayed their hand. They will be had....by somebody. I hope its not us. If it is, so be it. If I were them, I'd much more appreciate a DAL acquisition to an AA/US Air/Cactus/TWA abortion.

I can tell you this. We brought AK over to Terminal 6 in LA. We have the tunnel to our terminal 5. There is no tunnel to AA's terminal 4. Recently, we have started using AK's terminal 6 gates (just did it tonight, or last night). We're thick as thieves.

I'd much rather merge/buy Hawaiian. I see Alaska as our next opportunity, however.

DAL from the latest seniority list:

Top 25%=1973-1989
Next 25%=1985-1996
Next 25%=1995-2000
Bottom 25%=1998-2010