This statement proves my point. You want a system where pilots who cannot hold the 777 will get 777 pay. How do you propose to do that? Either the total payroll would have to go up, or some pilots will have to be paid less.

The new agreement is just an extension of their "old" agreement that has been in place for over 10 years. Over that time, there has been many times new routes were added/replaced that their code was out on each other's routes. AK is the KING of playing both sides, and guess what, it works for them.

Where did I say I wanted it?

I'm already making 777 pay, I'm already lazy, why would I want it? So I can work more, for the same pay? And no meals? And no naps? Puhleeze.

What I said was: no 777 pilots I have flown with in the past 7 years have said they wanted it. It is the -other- pilots, who will never hold the 777, who want it, for obvious reasons. Mo'money. But I'm not getting a raise, so, what-ever.:rolleyes:

I would think many would want it because the back of the clock flying is killing them, literally. They would rather stay domestic.

Nope, Cal Flanagan still looked pretty good at 65, never used a day of sick leave. 4 pilot ops with a real crew rest facility is a snap compared to domestic or trying to sleep in F/C during a meal service. How many 777 Captains have retired early because it was killing them? Zero.

I think there are pilots for whom the backside flying doesn't work...and guys who want/like flying domestic.

If you dig deep among 777 guys, the biggest concern is probably the health impact of polar flying...and the ineffective solar radiation mitigation program we are using.

If you as a pilot can disconnect mentally from the airplane during your break, and get some sleep, the 777 is overall a good job.

To touch on something Timbo said about retiring early, many 777A's drop down to 2 trips a month to ease into retirement. I don't think itis because of health, but more because of the lower impact on their life and the bird in the hand paying the bills. I haven't really heard of many going early. Just many who would like to.

Well there it is! See, I never connect with the airplane in the first place!

Don't forget Timbo, I have a tiller and brakes...:cool:

My feeling is there TA passes with No scope restrictions!

Then Alaska management does what I said they would do some time ago and add a 100 seat RJ outsourced.

Then Delta acquires Alaska with this 100 seat capacity purchase agreement in place and says we have to honor this existing agreement. ALPA says we now need to negotiate to keep the damage to a minimum.

one thing about domestic is you do a lot of swing shifts. and on top of that a lot of legs. a and while big wide heavy international can have you AT work a while or a lot, with domestic you find yourself constantly going to work. plus 5 leg days.

personally its whatever works for your body and personality. believe it or not I like staying up late and would love love love to do nothing but red eyes. I mean when I get up at 330am and drive at 430am to get on a bus at 530am to get to the crewroom at 610am and see those red eye guys going home I'm jealous. I've got a 13 hr day ahead to a 9 hr overnight and yet we both almost got up at the same time.