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johnso29 06-30-2013 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 1437139)
Hopefully in the event of an AK merger their scope...or lack thereof would be considered in any SLI with DAL. Not that our scope is that great, but like someone said earlier...the bottom 40% of our list would be KILLED in a merger with AK. A lot of CA's in their late 30's at AK.

Is it becoming clear to people why the 737-900ER pays slightly less then the 757/767 now? :cool:

Also, I don't think it'd be anywhere near that bad. AS has a pretty small pilot group.

johnso29 06-30-2013 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1436951)
Good name for a strip joint.

Bwahahahahaha!!! :D

contrails 06-30-2013 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1437363)
Didn't we just have a A330 successfully fly non stop from SIA to ATL? And aren't we rumored to be buying 10-12 A330s very soon? Hmmm........ :)

Now granted that A330 was empty, but could it do SIA-LAX?

LAX-SIN on the A340-500 is 17 hours.

I wouldn't think anything else could do it other than a 777LR.

johnso29 06-30-2013 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1437377)
LAX-SIN on the A340-500 is 17 hours.

I wouldn't think anything else could do it other than a 777LR.

Yeah, & aren't the Singapore Airlines A340-600s for EWR-SIA configured to around only 100 seats or so? All business class?

forgot to bid 06-30-2013 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1437116)
What is more likely to happen is that Alaska's outsourced 100 seat operation would simply be terminated and Delta would perform that flying with our own equipment and contractors that operate permitted aircraft.


Bar, I hope you’re right but look at what you wrote earlier about LM and ALPA’s attorneys WRT to what “company flying.” There are a lot of things that seem black and white in the PWA that have been deemed “well according to ALPA lawyers we don’t have a leg to stand on there…”


I just don’t believe DAL would terminate such flying without first trying to get us to approve it and I’m sure ALPA National would support the effort and if ALPA National and ALPA lawyers want it... :rolleyes:

Call it a “scope opportunity” and throw in for good measure a “How does 2 777s and 6-12 A330s sound to you guys? ALL GROWTH… for the 777 and A330 fleet! Now return the favor and say yes to this joint PWA which will allow what Alaska has already agreed to with Skywest to continue."

And IMHO only, the ALPA stamp of approval will always get you above 50.1%. So I just don't buy us terminating whatever they agree to with regional flying.


/cynic

forgot to bid 06-30-2013 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1437381)
Yeah, & aren't the Singapore Airlines A340-600s for EWR-SIA configured to around only 100 seats or so? All business class?

According to their website they block that flight at 18:40 going and 18:55 coming back with 100 lie flat seats.

newKnow 06-30-2013 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1437366)
Is it becoming clear to people why the 737-900ER pays slightly less then the 757/767 now? :cool:

Also, I don't think it'd be anywhere near that bad. AS has a pretty small pilot group.

Don't fall for it Johnson. A small pilot group means they bring a small amount of airplanes. And with them being the king of the codeshare, that means they bring even less passengers. (A good portion of the AA feed would stay loyal to AA.). That more than likely would mean less airplanes needed, but wait, we still have all the pilots. Guess what happens next....

forgot to bid 06-30-2013 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1437238)
Our reps are good guys but they still need to learn how to say no to Lee Moak.

So far they've been unable to do that.

I noticed something a while back on this forum that relates to this.

If Check Essential decided to say "ALPA SUCKS!" You'd get a rise out of a few guys and they'd tell you you're a keyboard warrior, stop throwing stones, go volunteer and so on.

If Check Essential decided to say "LEE MOAK SUCKS!" You'd get a "**** YOU!!!"

/just an observation

forgot to bid 06-30-2013 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1437399)
Don't fall for it Johnson. A small pilot group means they bring a small amount of airplanes. And with them being the king of the codeshare, that means they bring even less passengers. (A good portion of the AA feed would stay loyal to AA.). That more than likely would mean less airplanes needed, but wait, we still have all the pilots. Guess what happens next....

We wouldn't need Johnson or FTB? :mad:

forgot to bid 06-30-2013 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1437116)
In my opinion, it is silly to discriminate among ALPA members because one operates an airplane with more than 76 seats and the other does not, but that's the one member is better than the other member language we've codified.

The Comair pilots should have bought the DC9 fire trainer from their airport and gifted it to their management ... illogical, but that's how divide preferred from non preferred members in our union. Comair's gone and ASA's code has been redistributed and is operated by their competitors. Pinnacle's acquisition came with huge pay cuts and scope which is void if they try to renegotiate their pay. ... quite a different outcome than the result of Delta's acquisitions of NWA, Pan Am, Western, et. al., where acquisition meant better pay, bidding and career opportunities. Sucks not to have a single solitary 77 seat jet on the property. (in ASA's case a 120 seat had just left the property and remained in their contract). Completely different outcomes for ALPA members.

Yet, if Delta furloughs we flow down to these airplanes. So, what then? Would a Delta pilot flying for Compass be left out of a merger? Of course not ... just seems stupid that we discriminate this way.

I’m not sure I ever follow this. I guess you could say an ALPA pilot is just as important as any other ALPA pilot no matter what they fly or where they fly it and that’s fine to say; but it doesn’t make ASA/Comair equal to Delta Air Lines.

I mean is Delta flying 747s because ASA flies CRJ700s or does ASA fly CRJ700s because Delta flies 747s? Or did Delta decide to fly L1011s for ASA 29 years ago or did ASA decide to fly EMB-110s for Delta 29 years ago?

So is it discrimination based on how PWAs are structured or a system based on the fact that Delta Air Lines owned the place and ASA was the hired help for the little stuff?


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