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forgot to bid 02-26-2013 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1360520)
I'll have 78.5 hours for February on Reserve. ALV is 72. I shudder to think what summer will hold.

I don't know if ALV+15 will be enough to keep up with demand. I guess once we start canceling flights due to lack of pilots then hiring will commence.

Elvis, just to make sure you're ATL 88B right?

Anyways, if so, they cut reserves. In January we had 103, Feb 83 and Mar 86. They went from having 20% of the 518-530 pilots on reserve to 16%. In most months we have had 100 pilots or so on reserve. I know it fluctuates but I've been sitting intentionally reserve on this thing for 4 years and around 20% or so has been the norm as far as I can remember.

If I take an unscientific incomplete snapshot of the last day of the month and compare, they're getting more flying out of each reserve pilot. Those with RAWs greater than 60 points went from just 82% of the sampled pilot group in January to 100% in February. It shows in January 21% of the pilots with 0 SCs, February shows 0%. Pilots with more than 30 hours of flying went from 55% to 77% and the number of pilots just in bucket 1 dropped from 30% to 3%.

That's just a snapshot. But what makes sense is with fewer reserves, each one flies more. I'm sure the goal is to get RES hours up a lot higher than they have been. With lower ALVs the number of lines increases in the winter and drops back in the summer. So I don't think we'll have 16% on RES this summer, but I doubt this time we'll have 20% either. Something closer to 16%.

forgot to bid 02-26-2013 09:58 AM

The thing about hours on domestic reserve, we all know there are a lot of times you're called out to cover a trip and might end up with 2 DHs and 1 flying leg. Or it's just an out and back two-day. Something with low flying. It's going to be hard to hit ALV+15 unless you're junior and getting nailed with a trip before you even go on SC. Then I see ALV+15 actually kicking in.

But for those who do slip in a few more SCs than others (more senior pilots in a busy time) I bet we just need to get ready to say "they're flying me every day" and at the airport more than if you held a line. Right now I'm working about 75% of the month and I sit around 80% on the entire category, not just reserve.

I think the trend will continue. The notion that "hey, I'll bid reserve and take a month off" needs to be scratched from the vernacular.

BTW, in FEB on the ATL 88B guys at 60% in category are about 30% on the reserve list and 80% in category is about 70% on reserve. About 40% of the rev list is between 60-80% in the category. Go back a year and 60% would put you around 1-3% on the reserve list and 80% was around 5%-10%.

FlyZ 02-26-2013 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1360571)
Think the plan is mass displacements, off the 320 and ER, due to more 90s coming online. The Mad Dog will be plenty staffed this summer I'm betting.

I think so too. It's funny how the "upgauging" and "shifting flying to mainline" that management has been selling us leads to most people flying smaller, lower paying airplanes. I always thought upgauging was the opposite.

Of course, going from a 50-seater to a 76-seater is definitely upgauging. I think maybe that's what they mean.

Jack Bauer 02-26-2013 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1360584)
It's going to be painfully clear this summer for junior reserves in large categories and ALL reserves in larger ones. Things like golden days are going to gain sudden importance.

Basically we sold ALV plus 15 for a 2 hr increase in monthly line guarantee during the slow season. Yes we got a substantial increase in guarantee during the busy months but through use of a yellow slip a pilot had the OPTION to work more if he/she desired anyway so it was rediculously stupid IMO. There are money people and QOL people. The ALV +15 OPTION satisfied both but alas we sold it for cheap. We sold even more valuable seniority enhancement through the hiring that would be taking place as well. Think of how much more lucrative an AE with upgrades and category openings (options...remember that word?) is than displacements and 2 hr bump in guarantee.

I couldn't agree more. Cheerleading and voting in this one work rule will have long term repercussions. It was just dumb and proof that ALPA's constructive engagement has gone off the tracks.

80ktsClamp 02-26-2013 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1360641)
I think so too. It's funny how the "upgauging" and "shifting flying to mainline" that management has been selling us leads to most people flying smaller, lower paying airplanes. I always thought upgauging was the opposite.

Of course, going from a 50-seater to a 76-seater is definitely upgauging. I think maybe that's what they mean.

Don't forget the upgauging of 76 seaters to 115 seaters. ;)

Heck, prob 50 to 115/126... check out all the BMI and CRW layovers on the ATL 320 in March.

The Cavalier 02-26-2013 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1360630)
The thing about hours on domestic reserve, we all know there are a lot of times you're called out to cover a trip and might end up with 2 DHs and 1 flying leg. Or it's just an out and back two-day. Something with low flying. It's going to be hard to hit ALV+15 unless you're junior and getting nailed with a trip before you even go on SC. Then I see ALV+15 actually kicking in.

But for those who do slip in a few more SCs than others (more senior pilots in a busy time) I bet we just need to get ready to say "they're flying me every day" and at the airport more than if you held a line. Right now I'm working about 75% of the month and I sit around 80% on the entire category, not just reserve.

I agree with your assessment under the new rules, however I have hit ALV on reserve numerous times under the old rules in the summer on domestic only equipment since 2010. Giving up the ability to say "uncle" if you chose to was plain stupid.

FlyZ 02-26-2013 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1360656)
Don't forget the upgauging of 76 seaters to 115 seaters. ;)

Heck, prob 50 to 115/126... check out all the BMI and CRW layovers on the ATL 320 in March.

True, 80. Good point. I think things are starting to start to move in the right direction. It takes a lot of time and effort to get a ship this big turned around!

Check Essential 02-26-2013 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1360654)
I couldn't agree more. Cheerleading and voting in this one work rule will have long term repercussions. It was just dumb and proof that ALPA's constructive engagement has gone off the tracks.

ALV +15 was huge but another concession we gave that is going to really hurt in the summer is making July and August into 30 day months. I don't think people realize how big that one was for killing any chance of hiring and advancement..

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-co...slave-ship.jpg

ShyGuy 02-26-2013 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1360656)
Don't forget the upgauging of 76 seaters to 115 seaters. ;)

Heck, prob 50 to 115/126... check out all the BMI and CRW layovers on the ATL 320 in March.

You guys are stealing regional flying!

The Cavalier 02-26-2013 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1360671)
ALV +15 was huge but another concession we gave that is going to really hurt in the summer is making July and August into 30 day months. I don't think people realize how big that one was for killing any chance of hiring and advancement..

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-co...slave-ship.jpg

Another move straight out of the regional play book. I've already worked under that gem.


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