Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1440110)

There's no Christmas in June. Our language was written to be, at best, extremely naive and overly trusting at the expense of the entire pilot group by creating a seismic shift in power towards the company. By giving them unrestricted access to sick call harassment through poorly worded sophistry (whenever something is suspicious, yet suspicious being undefined) good luck to us ever trying to win a grievance on this.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1440110)

Oh and bonus, we just may have waived Federal privacy law for the entire group as well; at least until some "press to test" which hopefully some eventually will. I don't think collective bargaining can nullify HIPAA privacy rights by "forcing" you to sign away or divulge anything whatsoever under any newly created circumstance, but I guess we'll have to see.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1440003)

Delta will take delivery of 2 737's a month starting in November. Run that out through the end of June 2014 and that is 16 aircraft. They said from July 2013 to July 2014 they will lose 10 757's. That means 6 737's seem to be growth aircraft. I don't have the memo in front of me, but if you look at the rest of the 757 departures that they announced, it still runs out less than the 737 delivery rate. I have learned not to count too much on what they announced for 2015 and 2016, but certainly in the short term the 737's are not just replacement but replacement and growth. Not "massive" growth but still some growth.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1439816)

Our total compensation went up over $1 billion over 3.5 years. Just to compare that increase alone is probably worth about 15 years of the entire Compass contract, so if you are talking about selling out cheap, then look in the mirror. Surely if tough guys like you would all quit en masse then the RJ problem would dissolve immediately. So when are you sending your resignation letter in? Or are you going to continue to sell out the profession?
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Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1440022)

We are very happy to keep the more than 200 50-seaters we so wanted to get rid a month ago. We love the 50-seaters despite the fact our customers don't prefer them and they're 'significantly' costly. We will happily operate them for decades to come.

I loved this argument that ALPA (Tim O) made with regards to this at the msp roadshow. I specifically asked him how much management was going to save without having to replace engines on those 200 RJ's. Tim's answer was 250 million. I followed up with, how did you come to that figure, his response was that they were told by management and alpa's financial experts. A fact that would have been so simple to verify if they would have just asked GE or any operator of CRJ's.

I guess it would have been too difficult to reason that 200 airframes--400 engines would cost 625,000 per engine. Hum, that doesn't sound right, perhaps we should look into that a little further. I promise you that a GE cf34b engine cost at least 3 times that amount. Easily verified but we took managements numbers. Anybody with any common sense could've thrown the BS flag at that. Makes you wonder what else the crack team of ALPA financial research experts took as fact? Certainly, not someone I would want to negotiate on my behalf.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1440128)

Delta Air Lines to Place Widebody Order in July

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/G...x?ItemID=10829

In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1440123)

Originally I think 40 or so A320's were slated to retire in the coming years. The 737-900ER order wasn't just about 757's. Now all the sudden no one is talking about the 320's other than etherial rumors of life extension programs that may or may not materialize. In any case, the entire 737 order book could easily be pure replacement and even net shrinkage if we retire even a few older 88's. Yeah I know, glass and all that right? But until every last one of them gets it, they could easily retire a dozen or three that never make it to the magic glass factory to begin with.

The 717 does appear to be more growth than shrinkage at the mainline, even though the total network continues to shrink. How long can we keep shrinking, and what is our plan as we become more expensive as we shrink and the fantasy growth airlines (foreign and domestic) keep barfing countless hundreds of capacity aircraft into the system, while the only trick in our bag is to shrink to squeeze yields and quarter over quarter/YoY margins?

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1440130)

Dang I forgot about that. Looks like Airbus ripped off the design of the MD12 and made it uglier to come up with the 380.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1440007)

So you have reps whose beliefs run completely counter to history (and common sense if you ask me) and yet you don't complain about their "sales job". You think a sales job is anything that doesn't match your thoughts. You think "straight facts" are anything that does match your thoughts. So spare me the sanctimony. Again, we seem to live in bizarro world where failure becomes the road map to success and success is ignored.

Constructive engagement has led this industry out of the depths of the bankruptcy era doldrums. Every pilot group that tried your tactics has failed and failed and failed some more. Only one pilot group was moving forward and digging out of the hole we were in and that was Delta using constructive engagement. We signed two straight industry leading contracts within 4 years of each other. The rest of the industry: zero. We averaged a 41% lead on the competition when our last deal was signed. 41%. Explain that sales job.

The rest of the industry is just trying to catch up now. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality while you satisfy your anger then I say you are just immature. There has rarely been such a stark contrast between the failure of your methods and the success of constructive engagement. So you can snark away all you want with your childish insults. Someone else with more maturity will keep digging you out of that hole and like a dead weight you can latch on for the ride.