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ZAv8tor 06-24-2013 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1433301)
I strongly disagree.



Riddle me this --
What is the purpose of 'Vacation Any"?

The purpose is to allow a pilot the option to attempt to have a regular line award by breaking apart his vacation. He is still restricted to the LCW just like every other pilot. If this were not possible, he may be forced to reserve and a pilot junior may be able to have a line built that does not conflict with those vacation days. Where as the pilot who uses VA may now have a line, his ability to pick up time may now be severely limited due to the fact that VAC days are now sprinkled about his monthly schedule and you cannot under any case be assigned or pick up flying that conflicts with vacation. That is the opposite of your assertion that guys will be able to pack time in by using this feature.

This will not cost jobs.

forgot to bid 06-24-2013 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1433575)
I think you're correct.

I originally dug in my heels, because I was a IAS/VS guy. It's smooth and I don't like tossing granny out of her seat. I eventually liked Vnav on the 88, using it all the way to g/s intercept. I liked the challenge of making it smooth and precise and efficient. I never liked being told I should use it, or being critiqued for not using it.

On newer types of the MD series, which should be arriving within the next several months, you'll find this "requirement" no more - once inside of the terminal area, lose the Vnav (PROF) and use v/s or IAS (Level Change).

This short film clip demonstrates selecting V/S or IAS, and that Vnav is relinquishing control of the airplane (courtesy McDonnell Douglas):

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte.../goldfrapp.gif

http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.co...-high-five.gif

You win the discussion.

Bucking Bar 06-24-2013 04:33 AM

Don't you just hate it when you VNAV to the G/S Intercept, except, it just doesn't? So you have G/S armed and it misses by 3 inches and levels off. Now I'm the type who always just clicks off the autopilot and flies the airplane, but ....

A lot easier to correct a 20 foot deviation high than chase a G/S intercept from above after it goes several hundred feet high while you reset altitudes, punch a descent mode, dork with the power, add drag ...

My personal airplane has APP mode. Never use it.

DeadHead 06-24-2013 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1433370)
Could this new hand flying "practice" in the sim be a result of Air France Flight 447?

"In the agency's final report, which was released today, investigators determined that a combination of technical failures and mistakes made by inadequately trained pilots was responsible for the crash. They recommended that pilots be better trained to manually fly commercial aircraft at high altitudes..."

It seems the First Officer had become so reliant on automation (and was probably trained in one of those european ab initio training cram jobs) he could not recognize what was happening when the airplane entered a stall...calling for the Captain to come help (the Captain was temporarily out of the cockpit). Watch the video with cvr text below and the video that follows.

Air France Flight 447 Crash 'Didn't Have to Happen,' Expert Says - ABC News

I've heard from a few NWA pilots that NWA used to train for that particular type of failure as it had occurred on a few occasions.

Technological advancments and improved reliability have masked many potential deficiencies in a pilot's ability to fly an aircraft. Just my opinion, and to be clear I include myself in that statement.

It takes a certain initiative to keep your hand flying skills warm. Personally, as an FO, I'm not always certain about the captain's operational preferences are. Some don't like VS and some don't like Vnav. Some prefer autopilot on until the runway is in sight even in marginal conditions. Keeping in mind turning off the autopilot increases the workload of the PM quite a bit.

It's a fine line between practicing hand flying abilities and saturating a flight crew's workload. We're taught to use the autopilot as a method to decrease our workload when dealing with weather, complex reroutes/clearances, or mechanical failures, but we are not taught to specifically use it to increase our workload when not dealing with any of the aforementioned issues.

The cost cutting approach to pilot flight training while leaning on the technology is slowly starting to come around full circle.

scambo1 06-24-2013 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1433409)
I'm seeing a lot of new life in NYC. Somewhat refreshing. :D

I rode the fa jump seat a few days ago...JFK fa's. the A was 24. :eek: I haven't seen that in years. I am used to flying with her great Grandmother. Or great great grandmother. Surprisingly, she had no college and no language and was hired in 2010.

johnso29 06-24-2013 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1433418)
I was on the employee bus recently and this gaggle of older FAs were whining up a storm about 08-2013 FAs- with particular attention to the younger girls.

I should have reminded them that jealousy is a very stinky cologne.

Where's LNL... that'll really get up her craw!


Haha! The newbies are moving in. Sounds like jealousy is brewing. :D

johnso29 06-24-2013 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1433628)
I rode the fa jump seat a few days ago...JFK fa's. the A was 24. :eek: I haven't seen that in years. I am used to flying with her great Grandmother. Or great great grandmother. Surprisingly, she had no college and no language and was hired in 2010.

Somewhat confusing at first, isn't it? Sometimes makes me think I accidentally stumbled on to a JetBlue or Virgin America flight. :p :D

GunshipGuy 06-24-2013 05:55 AM

Duplicate post

Erdude32 06-24-2013 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1433641)
Somewhat confusing at first, isn't it? Sometimes makes me think I accidentally stumbled on to a JetBlue or Virgin America flight. :p :D

Was told by a FA yesterday that the Co is adding 600 FA in Sea

APCLurker 06-24-2013 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1433677)
Was told by a FA yesterday that the Co is adding 600 FA in Sea



Did the company get some sort of agreement from the FAA that our FA's can be used on Alaska flights? :D :p


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