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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1433919)
Delta no longer thinks in terms of Delta Air Lines flying their own metal. It's all about "The Network" and benjamins. Unfortunately the only group we have registered to prevent further erosion of Delta Pilot flying continues to allow carve outs and our very president believes at least one form of outsourced flying is "good for Delta pilots because it feeds our hubs".:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1433929)
Sorry for the double post originally.
SEA "hub" status is ONLY in reference to the Alaska Airlines Marketing Agreement. It is already a crew domicile and operational hub for Delta. To change that, it would require the Company to enter Section 6 negotiations, them willingly open up Section 1 of the PWA, Alaska or Delta terminate the "marketing agreement", or a merger with Alaska Airlines; then the "marketing agreement" would cease to exist and with it the language differentiating Alaska hubs and Delta hubs. Here's one...we want to amend the contract with this...SEA is a hub. In the event of a merger with any airline lacking scope or having/adding outsourced flying, that flying must be performed by Delta Air Line's pilots no later than 6 months following date the merger is approved by the Justice department. Further, (even without a merger), Alaska Airlines cannot carry any code share passengers on any metal not flown by current Alaska Airlines pilots." Of course we would need to hire some attorneys more on par with the ones the company uses to prevent head scratching later as to why we used "may" as opposed to "must". |
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1433946)
Thank you for that response. Makes sense. As a follow up question, when the company comes to DALPA for relief as they tend to do on certain contractual items, why not step up at that time and say "hey we might be able to work something out...we have been compiling a laundry list of things we want to tighten/improve (realizing our amazing lawyers seem to have left gaping holes in the language of our contract, etc)....
Here's one...we want to amend the contract with this...SEA is a hub. In the event of a merger with any airline lacking scope or having/adding outsourced flying, that flying must be performed by Delta Air Line's pilots no later than 6 months following date the merger is approved by the Justice department. Further, (even without a merger), Alaska Airlines cannot carry any code share passengers on any metal not flown by current Alaska Airlines pilots." Of course we would need to hire some attorneys capable on par with the ones the company uses to prevent head scratching later as to why we used "may" as opposed to "must". Jack, What you propose is EXACTLY what's going on WRT the NRT flying. If compensation isn't provided by the deadline set by DALPA, then a grievenace will be filed. This is what I was told by a rep. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1433941)
Thanks to new language in the PWA that was negotiated by "the only group we have registered to prevent further erosion of Delta Pilot flying" , DAL is must maintain the number of Delta Pilot block hours between the US-UK. The old contract did not have that protection.
Take a look at 1.E.3. Delta Pilots did not have that provision in the previous PWA, and I am very glad we have that protection now. Block hours are pilot jobs, and D-ALPA should be commended for that gem, even if you have gripes about other parts, 1.E.3 is a valuable section to have right about now..... |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1433950)
Jack,
What you propose is EXACTLY what's going on WRT the NRT flying. If compensation isn't provided by the deadline set by DALPA, then a grievenace will be filed. This is what I was told by a rep. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1433950)
Jack,
What you propose is EXACTLY what's going on WRT the NRT flying. If compensation isn't provided by the deadline set by DALPA, then a grievenace will be filed. This is what I was told by a rep. We should quote the other part of my post in red here as well: ...we want to amend the contract with this...SEA is a hub. In the event of a merger with any airline lacking scope or having/adding outsourced flying, that flying must be performed by Delta Air Line's pilots no later than 6 months following date the merger is approved by the Justice department. Further, (even without a merger), Alaska Airlines cannot carry any code share passengers on any metal not flown by current Alaska Airlines pilots." Of course we would need to hire some attorneys capable on par with the ones the company uses to prevent head scratching later as to why we used "may" as opposed to "must". |
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1433946)
Thank you for that response. Makes sense. As a follow up question, when the company comes to DALPA for relief as they tend to do on certain contractual items, why not step up at that time and say "hey we might be able to work something out...we have been compiling a laundry list of things we want to tighten/improve (realizing our amazing lawyers seem to have left gaping holes in the language of our contract, etc)....
Here's one...we want to amend the contract with this...SEA is a hub. In the event of a merger with any airline lacking scope or having/adding outsourced flying, that flying must be performed by Delta Air Line's pilots no later than 6 months following date the merger is approved by the Justice department. Further, (even without a merger), Alaska Airlines cannot carry any code share passengers on any metal not flown by current Alaska Airlines pilots." Of course we would need to hire some attorneys capable on par with the ones the company uses to prevent head scratching later as to why we used "may" as opposed to "must". If SEA changing for the purposes of 1.D.5 is that important to you, put up a resolution at the next meeting or call the MEC office and ask for one of the code-share committee members to go into detail on that issue so you'd have a clearer understanding and would then be able to write a resolution for max effectiveness. It might not have enough economic value for the Delta Pilots to want it(1.D.5) relative to the cost that Delta Management would give for it. I'd rather look for things that will bring the most pay and QOL to the Delta Pilots, and I'd prefer to get valuable stuff when it's not important to the company (like 1.E.3). |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1433774)
Hmm,
SEA-HND started... SEA-PVG started... NRT flying is trending down.... SEA/LAX adding other domestic locations... Rumored WB order.... Maybe, just maybe, there is west coast internal growth coming?!? Naw, I should stop. we all know that Delta will never stop shrinking or try to do its own flying... Good grief. I even made sure to add two smiley thingies to that post. Relax Francis. |
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1433951)
Why did that group that represents us change the lookback for compliance for said block hours of flying when it was clear the company was headed for non compliance in a shorter lookback period? What is the penalty to the company in the event they are not in compliance at the end of the 3 year lookback? How is that group that represents us doing RE a new scope violation occurring over the Pacific? Do you have any idea what this thing being sold as an "opportunity" is?
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1433919)
I very much could see us ceding current landing slots to VA between Heathrow and other US cities including JFK. As much as our brand seems to be making progress, I believe our leadership sees Virgin Atlantic as such a premium brand (with assets we are incapable or unwilling to deploy) they would be happy to turn (lend) much of the London based flying over to the Sir Richards Ultra Premium Virgin Atlantic brand (once the Justice Dept signs off on JV language). DALPA's response? "There's a side letter for that. "You see, in the overall scheme of things, having one of Europe's most sexy airlines flying the most important city pairs in the network we win more premium corporate accounts....and that my friend benefits each and every Delta employee in the long run...increased profit sharing and so on and so forth.... end quote.
Delta no longer thinks in terms of Delta Air Lines flying their own metal. It's all about "The Network" and benjamins. Unfortunately the only group we have registered to prevent further erosion of Delta Pilot flying continues to allow carve outs and our very president believes at least one form of outsourced flying is "good for Delta pilots because it feeds our hubs".:rolleyes: |
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