Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1433978)

Jack, you know I agree with most everything you say, but corporately speaking, V Atlantic was the cheapest heathrow and super premium wide body flying in the history of the known universe. I hope we get some good language in the contract, but we got gazillion dollar slots for a pack of gum.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1433988)

I don't disagree with you here either. I just know it won't feel good when/if we are a pilot group of 9000 pilots and the same percent on the seniority list in 5 years. Some way, some how we need to reverse the current vector of our careers....for Pete sake please ask your union to quit giving more productivity to the company and to show a willingness to go to war over scope. The union relationship with management has just gone too far in the wrong direction and there appears to be no long term strategy for the profession...at least as a Delta pilot, but really for the C scale pilots at the regionals as well.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1433953)

$ Compensation for less flying is not the answer. It's a failed strategy even if the company does pony up.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1433993)

So the departures are forecasted to drop for one month below the minimum required, & you assume they'll remain that way? And why must you assume the compensation will come in the form of $$$? I was speaking of better scope, job protection, etc. I think that's more along the lines of what DALPA is going for. We should know soon.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1433994)

This is what happens when a turbine disc decides to asplode on takeoff:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1433937)

Muddog don't give a..... :cool:

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1433833)

Hmm,

SEA-HND started...
SEA-PVG started...
NRT flying is trending down....
SEA/LAX adding other domestic locations...
Rumored WB order....

Maybe, just maybe, there is west coast internal growth coming?!?

Naw, I should stop. we all know that Delta will never stop shrinking or try to do its own flying...

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1433833)

Hmm,

SEA-HND started...
SEA-PVG started...
NRT flying is trending down....
SEA/LAX adding other domestic locations...
Rumored WB order....

Maybe, just maybe, there is west coast internal growth coming?!?

Naw, I should stop. we all know that Delta will never stop shrinking or try to do its own flying...

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1434013)

Damn. I wonder if it was taxi che... taxing in or out?



I was talking to a 4th floor type. I know I know, but here me out. Same source that told me about the 88 focus on hand flying.

But they say the general consensus is 2 777s and 6-12 A330s. I asked, growth or replacement? All growth. I said so are we going to be larger than the 720 jets we have now?

Not necessarily. Is the 88 staying? Yes. So what's leaving if we're adding 717s? No real response. Not sure if they'd thought about it the way I was thinking about it.

I asked about the A321, he went mum. I'm wondering about the 321 now even though I see it painted everywhere.



If SEA became a hub doesn't that kick in some language that would severely limit Alaska and codesharing between our hubs and SEA? Isn't that why SEA was designed a non hub?

Or to put as the PWA puts it, a hub has 100+ Delta departures a day, but regardless of how many SEA has it's not a hub. (PWA 1.A definitions) Then they're freed from the language that limited AS code on DAL hub - DAL hub because SEA is not a hub. Thus the need to ensure SEA is not a hub.

So as I understood it they don't want AS doing LAX-ATL, MSP-ATL, MSP-JFK, etc, but AS can do SEA-LAX (exemption for it to allow it to be 100% Alaska at the time), SEA-ATL, SEA-MSP, etc, because no matter how many departures DAL does out of SEA it's not a hub.

Is that right?