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I don't know how the fence language is written for the DAL/NWA merger but the fences for the NWA/ REP merger only covered airplanes on the property at SOC. Any additional aircraft of the same type acquired after that date was shared 1 for 1 between the two groups. The only exception was if newly acquired aircraft were deemed to be replacement aircraft for fenced aircraft. (A330 for DC-10 as an example)

forgot to bid

02-22-2013 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1357801)

So, according to your numbers, we could conservatively say that we could get the best of the lot of used 744, with new interiors, for around 40 mil each, which means we could have 11 of them for less than 2 777-300 at list price. Heck, we could probably pay cash for that. It would take a long time for 777 economics to make up for that difference.

I don't know what they'd be, Carl said less than half which is anywhere from $150M to $0. But who knows you may be right on.

scambo1

02-22-2013 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1357777)

Temporarily or 'permanently'?

T;
Its not cool to look under Oz's bathrobe.

Which is another way to say don't think critically.

scambo1

02-22-2013 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1357853)

I don't know what they'd be, Carl said less than half which is anywhere from $150M to $0. But who knows you may be right on.

What are the economics of the 747-400. Something simple that shows max pax and max cargo (actually carried) vs fuel burned for a long haul flight.

Or, vacation pax ATL to MCO.:D

Where the 777 really shines is low fuel burn, especially late in the trip segment on an ULH.

HBdude

02-22-2013 05:33 AM

To add to the used 744 discussion - a LCA from my base said he spoke with a Boeing employee in the back while DH'ing about 7-8 months ago, who said it was his job to look for used 744's for Delta. Didn't give it much thought at the time. But it may help add something to the discussion now.

Ferd149

02-22-2013 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1357851)

I don't know how the fence language is written for the DAL/NWA merger but the fences for the NWA/ REP merger only covered airplanes on the property at SOC. Any additional aircraft of the same type acquired after that date was shared 1 for 1 between the two groups. The only exception was if newly acquired aircraft were deemed to be replacement aircraft for fenced aircraft. (A330 for DC-10 as an example)

And youze guys ALWAYS agreed on what was and what wasn't a replacement AC:D

Hows retirement? Good to see ya on here!!

Ferd

sailingfun

02-22-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1357801)

The 747 if used on a daily 10 hour round trip flight burns in excess of 20 million dollars a year more fuel then the 777 300. The question becomes how much additional revenue can the 747 generate.

Edit: A forum reader just emailed me and stated the number is closer to 30 million a year at 3.50 a gallon for fuel.

Ferd149

02-22-2013 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1357858)

If this happens, I'll be wrong AGAIN......I figured the days of the 4 engine airliner were done. The logistics train on a 4 engine jet have to be huge. But, if you get them cheep enough up front I can see how it works out.

Plus, the added bonus is T finally gets to fly his Whale.........he won't tell ya but that's what he really wants to do:D

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