Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1364229)

You're likely working your butt off because of the new reserve assignment rules, not ALV+15. 1-2 years ago there was no seniority on reserve. Now there is. Your workload is likely amplified if you're junior in a smaller category. IMO, we will be hiring this fall.

That being said, losing the option to not exceed ALV does stink.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1364232)

ALV+15 was there to offset trip parking in the big widebody categories, yet it was implemented across the board.

Don't forget that when the new rest rules come in, that across the board a 7th short call will be implemented, despite the fact that only the international categories are affected. By far the majority of my rsv assignments come from short call... that is going to be a pretty big staffing hit in the domestic categories when it is implemented.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1364229)

You're likely working your butt off because of the new reserve assignment rules, not ALV+15. 1-2 years ago there was no seniority on reserve. Now there is. Your workload is likely amplified if you're junior in a smaller category. IMO, we will be hiring this fall.

That being said, losing the option to not exceed ALV does stink.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1364147)

We did not gain any jobs in this TA. WE lost a very small number of jobs. It's difficult to decrease productivity and increase jobs when you are already one of the less productive airlines. It's a tough sell through the NMB where we would have ended up.
There is one other aspect not mentioned and not costed for jobs in this contract. I am flying less with the raises. My total income is not going up but I am working less. That's my choice but several friends are doing the same. That will add jobs over time.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1364236)

Seniority was always been a part of reserve from what day you worked to who went out first. Regardless of your seniority for the last year or two, if you touched a weekend you flew.

I'd love for you to be right about hiring.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1364234)

True, but you're junior in your category. How many SCs are the reserves in the top 20%-30% sitting? Plus, won't SCs being reduced from 24 hours to 14 hours on the WBs require more WB pilot's? Thereby offsetting the hit to NB categories and providing more higher paying positions?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1364246)

They are sitting 4-5... SCs are the biggest green slip reducer, and scheduling is trying to do that as much as possible. That's also why ALV+15 will be utilized... we gave them a tool, so why wouldn't they use it?

It won't require more WB pilots as the 7th short call offsets it. So, its an offset on the WB categories and is a concession in the NB categories. Less pilots required and less pay for all.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1364249)

I don't think 1 extra SC per month will make up for 10 less hours per SC.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1364257)

There were guys who weren't close to maxing with 6 24-hour SCs--now they'll be sitting many more 12-hour SCs. That's the difference.