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Originally Posted by RonRicco
(Post 1364000)
When it comes to reserves and weekend staffing, you guys really need to think through this a little more. Pilots complain like crazy about not being able to swap, drop etc because of reserve coverage, so the formula is changed to a more realistic number which means that the first day the schedules are released that there is a much great chance of being able to do something with a weekend trip or on call day. So, during the first pcs run pilots start working to get weekends off that have excess reserve coverage and you end up with some fat days during the week and what should be even numbers on the weekend (up until misc trps are dropped, created etc) which prevents further pcs changes for the most part.
Are people actually proposing that we keep reserve coverage higher on the weekends so that pilots can't pd, swap etc so a pilot that is on reserve may not be as likely to fly on his on call days? Really? Ron, + 1000! Some on here continually lament every aspect about the reserve system including the following: Too many short-calls - we used to have two short-call windows every day. Too many Pilots required on the weekend - so they cant drop these days. Not enough Pilots required on the weekend - some poor soul gets a GS. Pay on reserve sucks - It was 70 hours. Guys on Reserve never break guarantee. Guys on Reserve will be forced to fly ALV+15 every month. ALV + 15 is why we are not hiring, even though Reserve only constitutes a small minority of DAL Pilots and we have not actually seen this yet. The fact that the vast majority of DAL Pilots are line-holders some who routinely fly up to 90 hours a month seems not to matter, even though it negatively affects hiring much more than the reserve rules. Guys - Reserve at DAL is probably better than it has ever been. Can and should we still try to improve it - absolutely. We will be in section 6 in two years and will then have actual numbers and facts which we can analyze to see what changes we should prioritize. Stand by for current political paraphrase: "Reserve at DAL it is not the Apocalypse that some around here have been saying it is." :D Who said it and about what? Scoop :) |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1364101)
You're right it was ALV.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...EEZ9Iheo5FPG_A And yes ALV-2 but min of 72 and capped at 80 is the reserve guarantee. You can still fly to ALV+15 and in a month with a 84 ALV that means a reserve can fly to 99 hours. Right? 99 hours. That's a lot. Now as to how many jobs this cut, if we were gaining jobs through the TA why in these investors calls are they saying the higher pilot pay through greater proficiency? Proficiency doesn't seem to be more pilots doing the same amount of flying. There is one other aspect not mentioned and not costed for jobs in this contract. I am flying less with the raises. My total income is not going up but I am working less. That's my choice but several friends are doing the same. That will add jobs over time. |
All I know is i've been working my butt off on reserve compared to a year or two ago. Getting 6 short calls most months instead of 2 or 3 in the past. As I've stated before about the ALV+15-it doesn't matter whether or not we actually fly to that number-it's the fact that we CAN, and that's why we need less bodies. Theres lots of "leeway" now in how many hours we can work. I just don't see how some of you guys don't understand this.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1364147)
We did not gain any jobs in this TA. WE lost a very small number of jobs. It's difficult to decrease productivity and increase jobs when you are already one of the less productive airlines. It's a tough sell through the NMB where we would have ended up.
There is one other aspect not mentioned and not costed for jobs in this contract. I am flying less with the raises. My total income is not going up but I am working less. That's my choice but several friends are doing the same. That will add jobs over time. But, in dealing with a company that was making record profits, did we have to negotiate a contract that increased our productivity to where we lost jobs? At the very least, are you saying we lost "a very small number" of jobs unnecessarily then? :) |
If we indeed staff for the heavy months, giving back a day in July and August could have been very costly with respect to jobs. 3% give in days (1/30) could be worth over 300 jobs. Just my take. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Ball Breaker
(Post 1364167)
If we indeed staff for the heavy months, giving back a day in July and August could have been very costly with respect to jobs. 3% give in days (1/30) could be worth over 300 jobs. Just my take. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm wrong.
BB, Don't know about the 300 number, but I think you are on to something. The 30 day Summer months seems to me to be a far bigger deal than the ALV+15 simply for the reason that it affects 100% of DAL Pilots - not just the small percentage of guys on Reserve. Scoop |
Originally Posted by MrBojangles
(Post 1364158)
All I know is i've been working my butt off on reserve compared to a year or two ago. Getting 6 short calls most months instead of 2 or 3 in the past. As I've stated before about the ALV+15-it doesn't matter whether or not we actually fly to that number-it's the fact that we CAN, and that's why we need less bodies. Theres lots of "leeway" now in how many hours we can work. I just don't see how some of you guys don't understand this.
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1364198)
BB,
Don't know about the 300 number, but I think you are on to something. The 30 day Summer months seems to me to be a far bigger deal than the ALV+15 simply for the reason that it affects 100% of DAL Pilots - not just the small percentage of guys on Reserve. Scoop |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1364147)
We did not gain any jobs in this TA. WE lost a very small number of jobs. It's difficult to decrease productivity and increase jobs when you are already one of the less productive airlines. It's a tough sell through the NMB where we would have ended up.
There is one other aspect not mentioned and not costed for jobs in this contract. I am flying less with the raises. My total income is not going up but I am working less. That's my choice but several friends are doing the same. That will add jobs over time. Jeez...MH told me this contract would add a thousand pilots...did he lie to me at the contract road shows:rolleyes: Not sailings fault but one of the things that ****ed me off with the sales job. I can understand productivity but don't tell me it's raining...or something like that:) |
Originally Posted by MrBojangles
(Post 1364158)
All I know is i've been working my butt off on reserve compared to a year or two ago. Getting 6 short calls most months instead of 2 or 3 in the past. As I've stated before about the ALV+15-it doesn't matter whether or not we actually fly to that number-it's the fact that we CAN, and that's why we need less bodies. Theres lots of "leeway" now in how many hours we can work. I just don't see how some of you guys don't understand this.
That being said, losing the option to not exceed ALV does stink. |
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