Yes, if they added a new category, ie. 747 ATL, with new (used, but new to us) airframes, all bets are off. Then you would see some movement from every category, the top ATL A330, 767-400, and 767 ER guys, etc. would be all over it, because it would be a good raise.

Not sure how many 777 guys want to go to school for no extra money. I guess if it would move them up in relative seniority they might.

Right now, I think the only trip the 747 flys out of ATL is NRT, is that right? Meanwhile us ATL 777 guys are DH'n to LAX, DTW and MSP for most of our trips, only DXB and JNB are truly ATL trips...for now.

Very good points.

They could have appointed/voted in an interim rep at the meeting this month and run ballot point correct? A pain for sure, but isn't it possible to have one resign at a year and a day, appoint an intermediate Rep, and then run the full ballot point election?

So who is running Shiz?

Guess pilots are going to either need to bid off and show up, or shut up and deal with whomever they get if they cannot make this a priority.

Who cares and at this point it does not matter. The procedure that will be used has been determined. The date the decision will be made has been set. Now every C66 pilot needs to bid off and be there, or deal with the results if they cannot make it a priority.

Good thinking. Let's see how the company feels about shutting the NYC operation down for a day so everyone can "bid off and make it a priority."

GMAB. In a large council during a good turnout you may see 20-25% turnout for the vote. That is when one can do it in their shorts at their computer. I highly doubt that more than 1/5 of the electorate would vote in a ballot point election if that was the option. With pilots having to show up I am sure that the same percentage bidding off would not cause issue with the operation.

Category question... I'm looking at the new PWA pay scales and categories, and am not sure I understand the 767 categories now that I see the pay scales. I never paid much attention since the ALPA crystal ball says I'll be a narrowbody FO for life. But I want to be an optimistic guy, so I'm trying to look at the next aircraft I might possibly ever get and finger it out.

Is the 767-400 pay scale what we call the 765 in NYC and ATL? If so, uhm... why? I don't see no 5. But it's payscale is above other 767 so I'm guessing it is?

Is the 767-300ER, 767-300/200, and 757 pay scales (all the same) what we call the 7ER?

And so, what exactly is the ATL 767 category that is closing? What actual payscale and aircraft is it, and where does it fly vs. the 7ER?

Thanks much!

765=767-400

7ER=757/767 domestic and international

767=757/767 domestic only


So by closing the 767 categories, the company gets away with less pilots required. I believe at one point there was a 764 category as well, which was 767-400 flying domestic only.

So I believe it used to be:

765=767-400 International only
764=767-400 Domestic only
7ER=757-200/300 & 767-300/300ER Domestic & International
767=757-200/300 & 767-300/300ER Domestic only

Clear as mud? :)

I could be wrong on the 764 category once existing. PMDL guys please confirm.

Confirmed.

thanks! That's what I suspected, but wasn't sure.

Thanks Sink.

You're welcome Roadkill.