Tsk, Tsk, the network has plenty of WB's and WB's on order.

Yeah I suppose. But the harsh realities of even the remotest chance of a relative with such a young, rapid advancement airline like that would slap a lot of guys into reality hard. The membership would have to stand up to national leadership that could be in the mood for a generous giveaway just to prime the pump for 2600 future members that would be 2600 future members regardless. :eek:

Do we get a discount? :D

I like this post because it outlines the effect of ALPA's strategic mismanagement.

First realize that ALPA National is run by the majors. We are not going to see an Air Wisconsin pilot become president of ALPA. In effect, the Delta MEC has run ALPA on the Delta property since the late 1990's.

Outsourcing has helped reach agreements on Delta contracts. The effect has been harmful to ALPA's receipts.

Arguably, Lee Moak has been less harmful than his predecessors. Compass remained ALPA and so has Endeavor. However, from a pure union perspective ALPA would have benefitted most from this flying being done at Delta Air Lines.

The tough truth is that ALPA has limited bargaining leverage under the RLA and falling on one's sword has not worked. ALPA has to prioritize. ALPA's priorities have some times fallen to getting 5% for the whole list rather than hold the line on scope. Many 2 to 5 year to upgrade Captains see scope solely as a "junior issue."

I believe as these Captains retire and are replaced with pilots from the regionals who understand scope, ALPA will change as the Delta MEC changes.

I think the Delta MEC is moving the right direction (although they can't bring themselves to disagree with Lee Moak on the Pinnacle concession).

Strategically, the Delta scope sales which have been copied throughout our industry have caused real, lasting, potentially fatal harm to our union. To fix things, I believe we begin here.

[QUOTE=MrMustache;1430128]

I guess I am not doing a good job getting my point across. DAL is still a good job - a very good job, and we are being told that "Hold on, things will get better soon." But we have been hearing that for years.

My point is that people now leave Delta for other job/careers. In the past that virtually never happened, but that is no longer the case.

Hopefully we will start hiring soon and a bunch of regional guys will be in my position. I can't think of anything that would improve the morale at DAL more than some brand new, enthusiastic, and highly motivated new hire pilots at DAL - hopefully you will be among them soon. :)

Scoop

I'm thinking a HVC on a 15 minute turn from A1 to F14 gets a pretty good test drive dodging MD88's and baggage carts from ramps 1 to 6.

[QUOTE=Scoop;1430160]Scoop,

I get your point.

I guess. Then he sits on the A/C for 45 minutes (bonus: ground air is pumping 88 degrees) while the crew for his flight packs into the third train that finally has space as they do their planned plane change from A1 to F14.

Big deal, we are supposed to announce a wide body order in august of 10 JETS.

..so goes the rumor anyway lol

Shiz,

I think you missed the point. Those furloughs were not necessary. They were a tool for management to "start-up" the whip-saw/outsource machine. Through force majeure, the regional monster was born.

TEN