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Vikz09 06-18-2013 09:31 PM

You got me? Probably better answered by our military brothers. Although, with 4 engines under the wing i am sure it has a large heat signature. I sure some people will have some explaining to do.

Mesabah 06-18-2013 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1430497)
I noticed they started working on the site again. What a distraction on short final!


Here is a pic of my new German mistress. She is only 17 and has 64000 miles on her.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...sk/I/image.jpg

Is that the turbo body cab? Those are pretty rare.

ysslah 06-18-2013 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1430549)
Hey remember Carl's rumor and possible three way where we'd acquire 744s? I don't know anything more than what wiki shows but Korean Air has 15 744s and 10 748s now on order and hey whats the deal with the NBA finals? Who is even in it? Gotta go check but before I do let's see what drudge has got on the front page...


I love tangents and hey look a squirrel! And yes NOW the transponder is on standby.


According to a Korean news source, KAL is planning on getting rid of 15 744s by the end of 2017. These jets ordered today are to replace some of those 15 744s.

buzzpat 06-19-2013 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1430566)
Wouldn't a missile, and I've never fired one, usually hone in on a engine?

They definitely seek heat but, depending on how advanced they are, it's not inconceivable that one would hit the wing near or between the engines on a 74.

Post script: I was at the White House the night this incident occurred and there were A LOT of discussions about the possibility of a missile strike. It was deemed not politically prudent to open that can if worms during a reelection campaign. I, for one, never bought the NTSB results because I heard and saw a lot of the back and forth with Clinton.

There's a great book written by Jack Cashill that documents all of the behind the scenes stuff.

nwaf16dude 06-19-2013 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1430580)
You got me? Probably better answered by our military brothers. Although, with 4 engines under the wing i am sure it has a large heat signature. I sure some people will have some explaining to do.

Heat seeking missiles would hit on or very near an engine, but not all surface to air missiles are heat seekers. Most navy ship-borne sams are radar guided, so they don't need a heat source to hit a target, and would tend to hit center of mass. As a general rule, short range, within visual range missiles are heat seekers, and long range, beyond visual range missiles use radar guidance. There are, of course, exceptions to these rules.

badflaps 06-19-2013 03:18 AM

Wasn't there a P-3 in the area with racked Harpoons?

Sink r8 06-19-2013 03:29 AM

Racked Harpoons? Sounds like a porno movie. Or is that Harpooned Racks?

N9373M 06-19-2013 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1430561)
BREAKING THE SILENCE:Investigators: TWA Flight 800 Crash Reason Wrong
Jun 18, 2013 10:04 PM EDT


A group of whistleblowers, including a number of aviation experts, have come forward in a new documentary to claim that the official explanation for the crash of TWA Flight 800 was wrong and a gas tank explosion did not bring down the flight off the coast of Long Island 17 years ago.

Produced by Michael Moore? :rolleyes:

Bucking Bar 06-19-2013 04:18 AM

My father is the highest time 747 guy I know. Nearly a decade before the TWA 747 accident he came home from a trip talking about how hot the packs got running all day out in the sun. On the cargo versions he could feel the heat through his shoes as you walked over the center fuel tank. The flash point for the fuel could be down around 129F,29C.

A bomb (whether propelled by a rocket or placed there) is usually the first explanation folks go to because that is certainly what a fuel - air explosion looks like.

Originally Posted by 737 Technical Guide
On 3 Mar 2001, a Thai 737-400 was destroyed by fire on the apron at Bangkok Airport. Only the crew were on board at the time, one of whom was killed in the incident.

Early investigations were distracted by the fact that the country's Prime Minister was due to board the aircraft just 30mins after the explosion occurred. Naturally, early theories were of an assassination attempt, but investigators have since found evidence of an explosion in the empty centre fuel tank. In 1990, 737-300 EI-BZG, operated by Philippine Airlines also suffered a centre fuel tank explosion. In 1996, the very high profile TWA 800, a 747-100 mid-air explosion which has been determined to have originated in an empty centre fuel tank.

I've seen the NTSB reverse their own preliminary opinions when objective evidence tells them their first assumptions were incorrect. A good example was the Beechcraft T-34 / Baron / Bonanza wing spar fatigue issues raised by the ACM T34 accident in Rome, GA. The NTSB's intent, based on working with them for 20 years now, is pure.

maddogmax 06-19-2013 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1430612)
Heat seeking missiles would hit on or very near an engine, but not all surface to air missiles are heat seekers. Most navy ship-borne sams are radar guided, so they don't need a heat source to hit a target, and would tend to hit center of mass. As a general rule, short range, within visual range missiles are heat seekers, and long range, beyond visual range missiles use radar guidance. There are, of course, exceptions to these rules.

Having been both enlisted and an officer in the Navy, I can assure you there is no way you could keep 250 sailors quiet about shooting down an airliner!


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