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tsquare 06-23-2013 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1432839)
Think about the new combined american.. a network that is smaller than ours, covers much less of the globe, but with thousands upon thousands more employees than we have... there are A LOT of synergies that are going to be happen there. And neither of them are PBS and are going to PBS. The waist tightening we've felt the past few years is going to be nothing like how hard that belt is going to be pulled over there.

Yup.........

Wasatch Phantom 06-23-2013 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1433030)
ALPA could NOT do that. The RLA is very specific. A union (or company for that matter) cannot authorize "self help" until very specific points in time. You MUST have been sent to a 30 day cooling-off period--from a NMB mediator--and then that must have come to its expiration. Then and only then can the union explicitly state "we are directing a withholding of service, and we are defining that as no green slips until further directed."

If we are under the umbrella of the RLA, we have to adhere to ALL the provisions of it--not just the ones that are convenient to us today. That means NO self-help, no grass-roots "hey don't fly GS this month" or "hey, lets all call in sick" (a la the APA and their sickout) unless specifically and clearly called for by your union leadership as explicitly permitted by the RLA--as excruciating as that might be at times.

By the way, that does not mean that you MUST fly O/T.

Herk, I don't know when you got hired...

In my opinion DALPA's finest hour during my 20+ years at DAL was IIRC the summer of 2000. The company was dragging their feet in negotiations. DALPA couldn't, as you point out, say "Hey guys the company won't negotiate in good faith so let's put pressure on and no body fly overtime..."

So what they did was initiate a "contract awareness program". DALPA went to great lengths to explain the details of white slipping, green slipping and, best of all, green slip with conflict.

After the education program nobody put in white slips. Only the true Ho-ers missed the point and straight green slipped. The vast majority put in green slips with conflict only.

It worked.

I don't know anything that would prevent DALPA from doing that again, except for some "intestinal fortitude". That seems to be in short supply on the MEC...

il0101 06-23-2013 01:37 PM

I have never used an APD before, but I just got one awarded for next month over 2 days of reserve. I am a very junior reserve guy that has lately been flying ALV plus each month. I was looking at the new PCS option for adding a day of reserve to recover the hit in pay. Does anyone know much about that process? I assume that if I plug in those 2 days I just got off in my month elsewhere that they will fly me on those days off and it should all equal out? Is there a better way to try to even out the pay hit?

Timbo 06-23-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by il0101 (Post 1433163)
I have never used an APD before, but I just got one awarded for next month over 2 days of reserve. I am a very junior reserve guy that has lately been flying ALV plus each month. I was looking at the new PCS option for adding a day of reserve to recover the hit in pay. Does anyone know much about that process? I assume that if I plug in those 2 days I just got off in my month elsewhere that they will fly me on those days off and it should all equal out? Is there a better way to try to even out the pay hit?


You cannot fly on the APD days, no matter what.

Is that what you are asking? Or are you asking about adding a reserve day?

Timbo 06-23-2013 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1433130)
Denny-
Your example is accurate but consider the effect when you are able to break a week's vacation into individual days and sprinkle them around between your trips.
I don't guess I'm smart enough to describe a specific PBS example but it just seems intuitively obvious that this is going to make it easier to build more efficient lines around vacations.
The way it is now, the blocked week of vacation is put on your schedule first and the trips have to fit around it. With "vacation any" you build the schedule first and then PBS just puts individual vacation days on your days off. Its like you don't even have a "vacation". You need the days off for FAR rest anyway. Now you'll be able to call it vacation and a 24 in 7 break all in one. It becomes much easier to build a line and especially to build a line to the upper end of the construction window.
Seems like white slipping to 120 hours will also become easier if you don't have solid weeks blocked off.


Yup, just one more way to sell back all your vacation.

You wonder when we might hire?

Never, once this goes into effect. :rolleyes:

And for Ferd, I agree, this will help a Int. pilot with 12 day trips, but consider all the domestic guys, flying 3 on, 4 off, or 4 on, 3 off. The way it is today, they have to lose a full week in the month, no way to stuff any more flying in there without 30/7 issues, so Vacation Any will allow them to put a day of Vacation on each end of a trip, and still fly 4+ trips a month. i.e. make it much easier to fly a full month, plus get the 22:45 vacation pay on top.

Who needs more pilots when none are ever taking a vacation??

il0101 06-23-2013 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1433171)
You cannot fly on the APD days, no matter what.

Is that what you are asking? Or are you asking about adding a reserve day?

Yeah sorry, I mean to ask now that I have those days off and less pay, what is the best way to get my total value for the month back up. Pick up reserve days? GS?

Bucking Bar 06-23-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1433055)
AK Air is only 1500 pilots. As long as ALPA does not allow their scope on our property, I think we can assimilate them easy enough.

After the DAL / NWA merger, age 65, PBS productivity enhancements and scope sales the bottom third of the list is already ten years behind ... We have no tolerance to assimilate anyone ahead of any Delta pilot. Delta's junior pilots are in no mood for further stagnation.

US Air's mess began when a shrinking carrier absorbed a smaller, growing outfit and the majority voted ALPA off the property. I would not put a stupid act of desperation past pilots who will have seen six years of career regression by the time an Alaska deal might be consumated.

Timbo 06-23-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1433148)
As in the captain who recently retired number one on the list? Just curious. Thanks.


Yes, that's him, he's supposedly going to head the Pilot Hiring Dept. if and when we ever need one...:rolleyes:

SawF16 06-23-2013 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1433010)
Has anyone got the name of a good proctologist in MSP? I had an unfortunate, er, episode with my pet iguana last night.

Oh, and I neglected to log myself off in the crew lounge.

That one made me laugh out loud, then I took a look at the poster.... DOH!

buzzpat 06-23-2013 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1433132)
more hand flying coming to the 88 as a training emphasis. kind of the opposite of vnav only and watch her fly herself. kind if like it.

Same thing is happening in the 73. I've been fooling around with it a little. In fact, we had a jet last week with the auto throttles inop. A three hour leg having to manually adjust the throttles. Talk about weird!!


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