Where should we draw the line, then? :confused:

I am more concerned with what percentages of flying we have in any venture rather than a hard line number. Percentages allow growth whereas hard numbers are only ultimatums that give opportunity for management to find a way to break us in other areas. For example, my understanding is that if we hold them to this 316 number, they might simply say... fine. We will stop the codeshares, and further decimate the NRT hub since we would have no reason to have as many flights because there are not enough O&D passengers and with the loss of the connections we can't fill a 330. Feels good to know that holding the line just cost us a bunch of flying, no? I'm not saying that WOULD happen, but that is COULD. Yet another decision that is out of our hands, but we will have forced the issue.... to what end? And since we would have punched management in the nose, I am sure they would have zero reason to retaliate.:rolleyes: This whole deal in the Pacific is minutiae and not worth getting wrapped up about.. yet.

that'll be the day. :cool:

Cynicism aside..... Do you think 5000 of 900,000 is worth all this angst? If you do, you better think it through...

And personally I am not interested in punching the company in the nose. It is pointless to do so when they make all the decisions, and they usually hold the better cards. I've got my captain's seat. If you are comfortable putting yours at risk, then let's throw down.

Have you ever been to HND? Gate space is so limited that people are moved from hard stand parking to the terminal via buses, and the hard stand space is fully parked most of the time. While HND is more convenient to Tokyo travelers I do not see it replacing NRT traffic.

No, I don't think that small percentage is worth a riot.

But I'm also certain there is a large bloc of Delta pilots who would be fine if the number was 100,000 or 500,000.

I'd just like a warm fuzzy that some things are worth going to the mattresses over. I've seen nothing from ALPA that leads me to believe we have the grit to make a stand on...anything.

We need to start hiring newbies soon!! This thread is causing me to drink more "single malt" than I should be.

Denny,

Thanks for asking the "honest" question, RE: DPWA.

TSquare,

You'll never convince the "crazies" (e.g. purple) that Delta is a great place to be right now. (We're a full FIVE years ahead of the "synergies" that US/AA are going to begin realizing.)

Fly safe,

GJ

This conversation has always befuddled me. If you're sick, don't fly. If you're sick and you do fly, you're probably not going to fly well AND you get your partner sick as well. The company probably doesn't want that and, if you bend metal, the FAA surely won't want it. How hard does it have to be?

I've received one phone call from a CPO asking me why I didn't fly a particular trip...."because I'm sick. You don't want me flying sick, right?" End of conversation.

Now, if you're using sick time to board in Chile or catch the Phish concert at Red Rocks, you probably need to be flying.;)

Hang on...lemme go get the popcorn. :D

That is an irrelevant stance. The number is not 100,000. It is 5,000.

And I agree with you that some things are worth going to the mat over. This... so far, is not one of them. Which is why I find it difficult to understand why guys read one little thing, and immediately launch into DefCon 4. I truly hope that in the aircraft that some of these guys do not act like that when faced with an emergency. Wind your watch on this one.