Pssstt. What did our point to point yurop flying evolve into? The point to point and hub pendulum swings back and forth over time.

NRT is far from dead or dying. HND is extremely space limited and look at the slots that were awarded to US carriers there: not incredibly viable times. HND is important to have access to, but is not the bread and butter.

NRT will continue to be a major player- only a small amount of focus is removed from NRT by way of HND access.

Hey Free Mason, I'm cutting your 34 responses into smaller bites of 7 per post so we might better discuss this if you're so inclined.

The topic isn't assessments, it's dues money. Assessments are a separate topic. When you try to conflate the two, it confuses the topic. The topic is dues. Dues.

Resolutions may or may not work. The Flight Pay Loss resolution is a glaring example. ALPA national fought this for years until they finally responded in a way that makes it very very difficult to find the information that the authors of the resolution wanted. You way overestimate the efficacy of a resolution.

It's really not BS. The data that is currently published requires a huge effort to find out what pilot received FPL when. ALPA national could have made it very easy, but instead they chose the hard way. Therefore, the FPL resolution has been effectively ignored.

Yes, that's the 1/3 we get back to use. The other 2/3rds goes to other unions. Mostly the reginonals. You can't argue that fact. DALPA only gets 1/3 of the pilots dues money back, the other 2/3rds goes to other unions.

Yes. The market is up from 6,800 to over 15,000. I don't think you want to use that to make your point.


I do, it's true. But in fact, it's a tiny fraction of the luxury bestowed on our union officials when they travel.

Affiliation with RNC is not the point. The question is affiliation with the AFL-CIO which is unarguably one of the most far left organizations on the political spectrum. Argue all you wish that ALPA is "pilot partisan", but your own post reveals the falsehood. 30% to Republicans, 70% to Democrats. The point is completely correct that none of us have been asked whether we agree to this attachment to a far left organization.

Carl

As someone pointed (Fly4Hire, I believe) dying is a bad word. Evolving is a better one. With the Japanese government not so fond of us anymore (As witnessed by their insistence that we justify moving our access from DTW to SEA) we very well might find the dynamic of NRT changing. My guess is that with the China market providing the better growth potential, we will be doing that much more than worrying about fighting for a mature market in Japan. (And while we are at it, have you noticed how crappy THEIR economy is lately?) While there is still money to be made in the Japanese market, China is the brass ring now. NRT won't die, but it will become less important. And that is a good thing IMHO. Eggs not being placed in one basket and all...

So you acknowledge that point to point flying in Europe evolved yet you believe that the same is not possible for NRT? 'Splain that one to me.

I don't know anything about this issue.

It's a poor defense to compare your negotiating and contract authoring ability with outfits like JetBlue and Skywest. What are you going to compare yoursef to next...Aeroflot?

That's the way it's been in the past, but this new precedent with the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement gives ALPA more pure power than ever before to bypass local councils.

This is such an utterly discredited line I can't believe you're still using it. It was the defense before the TA was signed, but those same people reiterated the importance of showing survey results AFTER the TA was signed. But...still no survey results.

The truth is that they will never be shown because DALPA negotiated in complete contravention of the survey. And regards this being a tactical mistake, that's silly also. In war, the enemy knows you're out to kill them and break all of their stuff. The objectives are clear. The tactics you use to achieve that are best kept secret. By hiding the survey results, you're trying to claim that we need to hide the objectives from management...not the tactics. Silly on its face.

If only ALPA behaved this way, we wouldn't be having this independent union movement. Make fun of it all you wish, but ALPA's failing in this regard is real. From the FPL resolution to the complete ignoring of our MEC in the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement.

ALPA cannot be changed via resolution. The evidence is clear on that. You can ignore the facts if you wish, but you just sound silly.

True, that is opinion. But it's opinion based on solid facts and trial resolutions.

Carl

So trade unionism and as Bar quoted Dave Behnke "when one pilot has a problem, all pilots have a problem" is no longer fashionable??

That's what the Major Contingency Fund is for. We're talking about the other 70% of Delta pilots dues money that is used in part for the daily operations of regional unions. That's "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs", and no...it's not very fashionable.

Carl

It would be nice to see a RALPA for the regionals. Then no conflict of interest! I would vote for that one in a second!:D

+316 :cool:

Sick of this lie. I will argue this "fact"

4% of the operating income goes to smaller ALPA MECs. That's it. I spend more underboob subscriptions than I "give" to another MEC.

The 1/3 you and your pied piper Caplinger talk about is direct operating income. We get back waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than what you say we do and you know it's not true. All the money from the LEC budget including our office secretary in DTW comes from the "missing" 2/3 in Herndon. The lawyers costs and the representation costs for pilot representations come from that "missing" 2/3. If you get fired and have a hearing and ALPA has to fly in witnesses and get hotels and whatever a system board uses (you guessed it) it comes from the "missing" 2/3. If you don't think the Delta MEC spends a lot of money on safety reps, representations, lawyers, LEC budgets and staff then you are a blind man indeed.

One more part of the "missing" 2/3 is the MEC SMRA. I don't know if you've been keeping up but the plan is to return 2 million dollars from that SMRA to the Delta pilot every year.

Good. Since you're so plugged in, post a line item budget of what we send to ALPA versus what we are reimbursed by ALPA. It would be really goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood for all to see. ;)

Carl