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Imapilot2 03-27-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1380579)
And USAir's international operations. Their company views it as a safety issue so they bundled all the flying under Whitlow. Rules of the Road-->Safety is always FIRST!

TEN

I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.

DeadHead 03-27-2013 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1380456)
This forum is way too dreary and negative focused lately! I want more of everything too but complaining here is not gonna do it! So lets focus on other things that are fun to focus on! Red tomato's!!!

Air india

Cracking down on the "professionals". (Can one be a professional by answering an ad in the newspaper?) Imagine actually having to be fit to preform emergency duties!



Shape up or don't fly, Air India tells cabin crew over 40 - Travel Kit on NBCNews.com

I'm no Nitro myself (American Gladiators), but I'm doubtful some of our pilots would fair so well if they had to meet the same medical standards and emergency drills they went through when hired.

80ktsClamp 03-27-2013 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1380590)
I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.

It won't be since Whitlow will no longer exist then.

TenYearsGone 03-27-2013 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1380590)
I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.

From what I hear, it is set to change on its own (to 14 hours) once the "new" rules are implemented.

TEN

TeddyKGB 03-27-2013 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1380576)
SC for 7ER:

1. 0800-2000=Domestic and International trips
2. 2001-0800=International trips only

**If you have not been given a "stated and noted(icrew)" 24 hour rest break in the past continuous 7 days then you are only good for International trips.

TEN

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.

Ferd149 03-27-2013 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1380595)
I'm no Nitro myself (American Gladiators), but I'm doubtful some of our pilots would fair so well if they had to meet the same medical standards and emergency drills they went through when hired.

Speak for yourself fat boy:D

Ok, me too.......

Ferd - departs USAF: 175 lbs

Ferd - home from last trip after drinking beer with Denny Crane: 223 lbs:eek:

TenYearsGone 03-27-2013 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1380602)
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.

Sorry. I hear the rules will be changed to 14 hours for INT'L SC-- no longer 24 hours.

TEN

Dash8widget 03-27-2013 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1380562)
Ok, I get that part but I thought the new rules were going to change where they will have to apply Whitlow to international? That is where I'm getting conflicting info. Thanks for the reply.

Whitlow will never apply to international (flag) operations. Whitlow was nothing but a legal interpretation issued by the FAA legal department to answer a specific question about the domestic rest FAR only. And since rest rules for flag operations are currently under a different FAR, the Whitlow interpretation did not apply to them.

The new FARs no longer differentiate between domestic and flag operations and instead they only look at the number of pilots being used (2,3,4 etc). I guess you can say that in effect it will be like Whitlow applying to international ops, but that's not really accurate.

80ktsClamp 03-27-2013 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1380602)
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.

Whitlow will no longer exist when FAR 117 is implemented. It will all be different then... and much more complicated!

TeddyKGB 03-27-2013 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1380607)
Whitlow will never apply to international (flag) operations. Whitlow was nothing but a legal interpretation issued by the FAA legal department to answer a specific question about the domestic rest FAR only. And since rest rules for flag operations are currently under a different FAR, the Whitlow interpretation did not apply to them.

The new FARs no longer differentiate between domestic and flag operations and instead they only look at the number of pilots being used (2,3,4 etc). I guess you can say that in effect it will be like Whitlow applying to international ops, but that's not really accurate.

So in a nutshell the same "Whitlow" rule will apply to international with the new rules. I realize it wont be called Whitlow but you will duty out for SC for international in the same amount of time as you would for domestic. Thanks all I was looking for. :D


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