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Carl Spackler 06-11-2013 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1426019)
Cynicism aside..... Do you think 5000 of 900,000 is worth all this angst? If you do, you better think it through...

And personally I am not interested in punching the company in the nose. It is pointless to do so when they make all the decisions, and they usually hold the better cards. I've got my captain's seat. If you are comfortable putting yours at risk, then let's throw down.

Classic tsquare.

Embarrassing.:(

Carl

Brocc15 06-11-2013 06:52 PM

Do we do an ESV for Normal requal? The 88 letter is confusing. It says we do a systems validation, but it is not anywhere on my training schedule

boog123 06-11-2013 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1426645)
At what point do you decide to enforce portions of the contract? How far do you let the violations occur until enough is enough? Why even have a contract, perhaps we should just be happy with what the company gives you.:cool:

If our pay was cut 25% tomorrow he would say you guys better shut up or it could be 50%.

buzzpat 06-11-2013 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1426672)

I used to fly "the curve" routinely and check guys out. It was bizarre. Once I saw a 747 in the drink with only the tail showing. Quite the old school airport.

iceman49 06-11-2013 07:01 PM

First flight after OE was into this airport...the dual ndb app, ehaaa:eek: It must have been designed for DC3s

buzzpat 06-11-2013 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1426714)
Classic tsquare.

Embarrassing.:(

Carl

C'mon guys. No dog in this hunt. Please move on. Its getting tired....and I'm tired of having to read through it. I'm sure you are both great guys and I'd love to fly with you.....but this **** is well beyond tired. Count me as one more guy who will move on if it doesn't stop.

iceman49 06-11-2013 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Brocc15 (Post 1426715)
Do we do an ESV for Normal requal? The 88 letter is confusing. It says we do a systems validation, but it is not anywhere on my training schedule

Pretty sure that you have an ESV, probably best to contact the training manager.

Carl Spackler 06-11-2013 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1426179)
I'm not sure I agree with what you are saying here. The ALPA president signs any contract negotiated with ALPA as the pilots union (Delta, United, Pinnacle etc). He is signing that particular contract for that particular airline pilot group as referenced on the title page of the contract.

The ALPA president signs our contract along with the MEC chairman under the title: "for the association". Look on the last page of our PWA and you'll see exactly what I mean. But as we've seen, the ALPA president alone can sign a document "for the association" and it's legal and binding.


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1426179)
Lets substitute "Pinnacle Bridge Agreement" with "United Pilot Agreement" (because ,say, it has some reference to Delta about pay), does that make it an addendum to our contract?



Yes it does, although it would be a meaningless addendum. The Pinnacle agreement specifically references us and our contract. And again, they needed to do this or they wouldn't have bothered to craft this agreement.


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1426179)
I don't think so. If it does become an addendum/LOA/MOU etc., where is it?

As far as your question of ..."where is it?"...as I mentioned earlier, this Pinnacle agreement didn't change our language like an included LOA or MOU. It's physical location is within the Pinnacle agreement, and its reference to us and its signator of the ALPA president.


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1426179)
Easy. For the concessions given in bankruptcy, the Pinnacle pilots wanted some "pro quo's." These consisted of gaining a percentage of the flying we have outsourced and getting interviews



This is a key point here Denny. If the Pinnacle pilots wanted a "quo" from Delta management given their concessions in bankruptcy, and if DALPA had no say in the matter whatsoever, then there was no reason for anything other than an MOU signed by somebody from Delta and somebody from Pinnacle's ALPA. Look at our MOU's and LOA's and you'll mostly find no signatures at all, and only some with one signature from each side. But that's not what was done here. Why? Pinnacle was in no position to demand anything from Delta. Why would Delta (and the ALPA president) go to the trouble of a full fledged and fully signed bridge agreement if it wasn't legally required to do so given the fact that an amendment needed to be made to DALPA's Section 1?


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1426179)
My guess is this discussion would go back and forth for quite awhile. I think the answer to your question above would provide us with a definitive answer. Unfortunately I don't know how to get an answer! As I told Bar yesterday, I was bored and now I'm not so I'll let you have the floor!

Even though we disagree on most of these items, I always appreciate your position Denny. I don't consider it just back and forth. You've definitely taught me a thing or two these past few years.

Carl

DogWhisperer 06-11-2013 07:50 PM

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forgot to bid 06-11-2013 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1426305)
Could just be a shift of flying from the base especially from the ER... maybe LAX and SEA will get more of those trips. 20% less biddable Asia trips, if you're picking up what I am throwing down. Wasn't that the idea all along? NYC/ATL ER do Euro flying, DTW/MSP more domestic and LAX/SEA to do Asia. FAs always seem to blow things up.

More times than I care to admit I start thinking we have a fire in the airplane, only to realize, they're burning something in the oven of the 88.


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1426334)
The MEC said its only 2500 tickets per year. Its really insignificant.
This will just require small incremental changes to our scope. It'll be an "improvement".
DALPA has everything under control.
There's no dots. Flight Ops management said the last bid was the last of the big displacements. This latest 100 displacements off the 7ER is just a technical adjustment. Its a clean up bid. Happens all the time.

Pay no attention to those whiners on the Internet forums.
There's no need to over-react. Wind the clock you silly pilots.

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