Originally Posted by filejw (Post 1433075)

FYI vacation Any at NWA had to move all the days as a group. This breaking he vac into groups of days isn't good in my opinion. Basically turns into a bigger vac buy back than it is normally .

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1433010)

Has anyone got the name of a good proctologist in MSP? I had an unfortunate, er, episode with my pet iguana last night.

Oh, and I neglected to log myself off in the crew lounge.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1433019)

Speaking of our enhanced productivity and lost jobs as a result --

I'm surprised nobody has commented on DALPA's latest innovation. "VACATION ANY"

That little gem is going to cost us another several hundred jobs.
Forget spring hiring. Maybe now we can avoid hiring until fall of 2014.

With this latest "improvement" to PBS we can now move those pesky vacations out of the way and pack more trips onto our lines in vacation months. What a great deal! Just break up the vacation and stick it on any left over individual days when we aren't flying anyway. Pretty much the same as the old "vacation sell back" but without all the embarrassment of actually selling it back.

What is DALPA thinking? Is this really what the membership wants? Fly to the FAR's? Eliminate vacations?

Don't guys realize the correlation between this stuff and displacements?

I am thoroughly disgusted with this trend of destroying jobs in the name of more productivity and more flight hours per month. We are never going to see any advancement on our list if DALPA keeps coming up with these things.
Is it really a good thing to have 20 years as a first officer before the first chance to upgrade? Our union has lost its way.

Maybe its just me (and apparently Timbo) who would like to go back to the old motto --

MORE MONEY MORE TIME OFF !

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1432992)

The company intended to hire with classes running this summer. However, once marketing released the flying it was evident that the schedule could not be met without instructors flying the line. Classes this fall.

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1433081)

Minimum of 3 full bid periods and minimum of 120 credit hours.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1433030)

No, the company did not "change" our contract. It WAS our new contract that we the pilots voted for. It still WAS the status quo, painful as it was.



ALPA could NOT do that. The RLA is very specific. A union (or company for that matter) cannot authorize "self help" until very specific points in time. You MUST have been sent to a 30 day cooling-off period--from a NMB mediator--and then that must have come to its expiration. Then and only then can the union explicitly state "we are directing a withholding of service, and we are defining that as no green slips until further directed."



Herk,

you just made my point. It was a "New" contract - therefore, no status-quo. By definition is something is new there can be no status-quo. What historical norm were they going to use as a basis for pilot participation with green-slips paying 150%? There was nothing to compare it to.

We should have stopped green-slipping because it was being paid at a reduced rate. If this happened it would be obvious that Pilots were not willing to Green-slip at 150%.

DALPA never even tried. Very disapointing.

Scoop

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1433057)

Don't you understand the consequences of all that? If guys are able to get trips in vacation months that they otherwise could not have, then fewer pilots are needed to run the airline.

Bottom line is simple. With "Vacation Any" there is more flexibility to pack more trips in vacation months. That costs jobs and that is my objection.

If it was up to me we'd go back to the "touching trips" system.

Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1433097)

I agree with you about guys using vacation months to max out.

Part of what you object to on this could be fixed by having vacation credit count towards the pick-up limit all month, and not just count as credit for PBS.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1433111)

I won't disagree with what you say but you need to explain this in a different way to me.

What I read was that your vacation credit of 3:15 per day still counts towards the total time PBS will award you. If I have a week of vacation it's worth 22:45. Say the ALV for the month is 72:30. That makes the upper limit that PBS can award you 80 hrs. In a month with vacation and this 80 hr upper limit, PBS cannot award you more than 57:15 (plus 22:45=80hrs). This hasn't changed with vacation any. At least this was how I read it. All "vacation any" allows is for you to get some of that 57:15 over the time of your scheduled vacation by swapping it for different days in the month. It doesn't allow you to pick up more time than you could before "vacation any." I don't see where it allows you to fly any more or less hours than before. Am I wrong? If so, how? How does this cost jobs compared to what we had before?

I would love to have touching trips for vacation.....

Denny