Completely agreed which is why many scratched their heads over the massive push to vote yes with reminders that there would be negative consequences for voting no.

yes they are, so far so good. I'm ready to be past this myself.

A "good faith" celebrates the first miracle of our risen Savior and allows the consumption of beer.

Any faith that does not allow the consumption of beer is a "not so good faith."

Can I get an "AMEN!"

JMHO

Oh come on johnso, you're still my buddy-- I'm just talking about one small item in the contract that has been of conversational interest the last few days, sick call policing. I was having you on about your perceived cheerleading for this single issue is all... Well, OK, I did have a BUNCH of caffeine and poke a Lumberg joke at you too ;)

I actually didn't say Delta was sooo mean nor do I even think it really, and I don't think I've ever written anything specifically bad against DALPA--I've pointed negatives in the TA that I think are worse than folks realized. I complained about the budgetary whiplash that the POM system had on our squadron finances too, but no one ever mis-thought I therefore hated the USAF or our country and should quit! I assume that discussing two or three negatives out of several thousand possible topics is automatically calculated to a 0.05 dissatisfaction quotient, but you're obviously not reading my inputs with the same assumptions. I'm 99% pro-Delta and STILL feel OK with discussing the few things that negatively impact my career.

I don't actually have any agenda here, just occasional conversational interests and an urge to type.

In fact, my underlying feeling is that, having been an Ops Officer tasked with enforcement before, I would probably do EXACTLY the same thing as the CPOs and Delta--I've not seen a single case where the CPO made a poor choice IMO after calling to verify. I'm very pleased with their execution of their orders on this, and would have to agree with folks who previously pointed out there was a sanity-check by a human in the process that would likely work. But that's not what I talked about at all--I only mentioned the impact of the rule existing as it does. I guess you could liken my philosophy on this to an ACLU guy who doesn't like a law congress passed and thinks it may be exploited and is dangerous, but is happy with the police enforcement at present. Just because he works to have the law recognized as poor and needing change doesn't mean he hates the police and firemen hey?

I'll go on record for you here also as saying I'm universally impressed with all interactions I've personally had with DALPA and reps, and have huge respect for anyone who takes the giant effort of volunteering or running for rep. God bless them I say. I'm not sure about upper level union workings so I don't comment on them and just read. I do think the TA was overly sold and that a better representational result would have been a less biased presentation of info good and bad. In similar vein, I'm impressed with the volunteers who mod and make this place happen too, thx!

And leaping to the conclusion I'm bitter and angry...lol this typing is happening while I wait for cupcakes I'm making with my daughter to finish, then we're going swimming. It's a GREAT life, and a great job, and I'm about as pleased with it all as possible, wouldn't change a thing.

Now what in there makes you think I dislike all things DALPA and Delta? It's just a sick call discussion, and I was on a rhetorical roll and enjoying my prose, baby! Ok, I'll stop joshing you with the Lumberg jokes. Lighten up Francis!
;)

I appreciate your suggestion, but you can't help someone who isn't interested in being helped. Do you see these "brothers" showing any appreciation for the hard work that our Reps, NC, MEC, or other people are putting in? Do you see them doing anything other then attacking and insulting those that disagree with them?

I'm well aware of the data that our union is collecting. It has been done in the past as well. Several pages back I encouraged people who are being called to send their info to the union. But if they don't want to be helped, then DALPA can't help them. And quite frankly if I am going to be attacked for simpy disagreeing with people, then I find it hard to have much desire to help them.

Johnso,

Insulting, berating and being disloyal to their union is a member's prerogative under the legal standards which govern unions. The union owes it's members a "fiduciary duty" which basically means putting their interests before it's own. It has to deal with them in the upmost good faith.

The standard might not be fair, but it is what it is. The union has to help them, even the ones with the DPA stickers who purposely try to undermine our association.

A person who stabs his union in the back is a fool. As long as the union represents them, they should want the strongest, most effective, representation they can get.

Mostly, union work is a thankless job. Mostly union leaders are not given the credit, or respect, they are due. The only way to reconcile this reality is to realize from the get go that union service really is a humble job, undertaken because you want to help others in the profession. It is extremely frustrating, but like raising children, you have to take the tantrums and still love 'em.

(not specifically directed at you ... I just got on my soap box)

Roadkill,

Thanks for the reply. I probably overreacted, & for that I'm sorry. I'm generally an upbeat person, and I feel like I get hammered for it on here. If I disagree, I'm a DALPA/DAL cheerleader.

Here's my final take on the current sick policy. It's likely that, intentional or not, the boundaries of our current policy will be crossed by the company. So it's critical to become familiar with the policy and our contractual rights. When in doubt, PLEASE document, document, document & consult your Rep. The company has had it's hand smacked before for sick leave monitoring. I've seen DALPA stand up to this recently. I believe they'll do it again. But they have to have data to back up their claim.

Our current contract isn't perfect, but I feel like it is a decent one. Enjoy your time with your family, & I hope the cupcakes are good. :)

In this hypothetical, when is this individual calling in sick? For the 7th Christmas in a row? If YES, then that's absolutely fair territory IMO.

Fair enough. Back to your previous post is it ok to berate & insult their fellow "brothers" who disagree with them? Since I voted NO, should I be allowed to call all of the YES voters "candidates in the running for CP" or an "ALPA cheerleader"?

Did someone forget to pass that on to TWA ALPA leaders and ALPA National? Who are you kidding, you know ALPA will do what they can to increase and retain their membership. 10 grand AA pilots coming into ALPA would have been a huge score. That set the grounds for a DFR. What's ALPA owe now to TWA pilots? 1.7 billion? If (and that's a huge if) DPA took over and ALPA was kicked, that would be the end of ALPA.