Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1439734)

Generally disappointed with the thinking from Johnso, starting to seriously think he may be Bill Lumberg...

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1439749)

Based on his incessant cheerleading, johnso must be bucking for a job in the chief pilot's office.

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1439734)

Once again Johnso is sounding like a corporate salesman and slanting the view. Three pages after he posted this, Superpilot told the real story.
This wasn't a guy just missing three trips with unverified sick with no doctor visit head cold, it was a guy with a hospital surgery and thus a ton of "verify"-worthy paperwork.

And YES HE DID get a call from the company! In another post Johnso slants his case again saying "Then he chose to call and verify it because he would exceed 100 hours of usage", while Superpilot tells the real story, " The Chief pilot called after 15 days consecutive out to ask if i was ok and if i was going to verify it."

It doesn't really matter which of the three triggers the CPO tells you caused him to call... either you get a call or you don't from the company asking "Hey what's up with your sick? can you explain it to me (we're here to help etc. if we think it doesn't sound fishy...)". He just posted that he did get a call.

Of course guys who get calls have "shown a pattern"! A pattern of USING THEIR SICK LEAVE, and not being as healthy as the guy sitting at a desk checking up on them. This excuse of "good faith, they showed a pattern of badness man!" is exactly akin to this type of thinking by police:
"Every one is treated the same under the laws, but we pull THESE guys over and frisk them a lot more because they show a suspicious pattern--they're black, they live in this ghetto, they were walking around and not in an office working, and they were younger than forty! CLEARLY a nefarious pattern that justifies us calling them to check on their so-called-sick-leave, err I mean jacking them up and frisking them."

The proof of "liberty" and a culture of freedom isn't in pointing to a few cases where someone was NOT violated, if you can ALSO point to folks who WERE violated! That is absolutely faulty logic that even a middle-school debate club wouldn't miss. This is a logic "truth" test-- it's true until you can find one example of falseness, and then it is FALSE, proven.

We've got cases of folks getting called at home in the first month for sick use, case closed. Pointing to a guy who had spinal surgery who "stayed up front with everything and kept in contact with the company", who got called at 15 days to verify his sick leave, is NOT proof that everything's hunky-dory...

Generally disappointed with the thinking from Johnso, starting to seriously think he may be Bill Lumberg...

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1439749)

Based on his incessant cheerleading, johnso must be bucking for a job in the chief pilot's office.

Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1439752)

Once he decided to do some ALPA work, his tune changed completely. Sad. The good thing is that his and Alfas twisting the truth and using funny math is not winning people over to their belief system.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1439512)

By when? Did you think that they would bid out 1,000 spots by July 2013 for the 717 when they are coming at 3 a month for almost 30 months starting in late 2013 and ending in 2015 or 16? Seriously, you have been around this industry for a while, you know about aircraft deliveries and how they staff them. I don't believe for a second that you thought there would 1,000 spots by now. So why are you pretending that is what you believe or that you were lied to because that is not what happened? This all smacks a little of bizarro world here.

3 aircraft a month starting in September. 3 aircraft per month, 4 months in 2013 times 7 crews per jet. What number do you come up with for that? They have already bid out 145 crews (290 pilots) for the 717 so far. Is that more or less than your math exercise I just gave you?

It's really tired but true, you can have your own opinion but not your own facts.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1414914)

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1439757)

Based on your incessant whining, I'd say both of you are gunning for most miserable person around. :D

What's funny is I nor alfa(since capn decided to bring him in) attack people unless we are attacked first. It's too bad that neither of you can really get into a debate without slinging insults. FTB and I often disagree, but we don't call each other names. We just debate.


And what funny math have I presented capn? What truth am I twisting? I'm sorry you got kicked off the whale in ANC. I'm sorry you can't hold SEA, LAX, or SLC anymore. I slid from 74% to 96% in 2 AEs several years ago. I was happy holding commutable 5 days. But then I slid to reserve. So now I'm on a different category. It's part of the job. You don't like it? Sorry. Change careers. Get a desk job. Then you can sleep in your own bed every night. Don't tell me it can't be done either. I've seen it happen. Stop being miserable and do something about it.

Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1439769)

Come on Dude. Your point that 60% voted for it is specious. They voted for it because they were told hiring could be imminent, that this was a fleeting opportunity to get rid of RJs, etc etc. At least stipulate that the displacements were far from the 60%'s expectations and that the lack of hiring might have ****ed off a few folks.
You can't sell something as a peach and then blame the buyer for not knowing its a lemon.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1439648)

Well....you see...it isn't a pattern. It's one sick call simply because he never called in well. ;) He had to have spinal fusion surgery to repair bulging disks that were pressing into a nerve. The result of the bulging discs was chronic pain, & his arm going numb. So it was unverified sick time. Then he chose to call and verify it because he would exceed 100 hours of usage.