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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1439084)
Which portions of this letter are lies? Are you saying that since the TA was ratified every upgrade has been staffed via displacements? Can you show me how "vacation any" decreases staffing? Can you prove that if the TA was voted down we would not have entered mediation? The fact that you as an individual were willing to call what you feel was a bluff doesn't guarantee that we wouldn't have. Does the author of this letter give a timeframe for hiring?
I'm not seeing lies in that letter. Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1439091)
Good post, but I thought he was going after our current Chairman. That letter was from the previous Chairman wasn't it? Not that it matters.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1439133)
That is just how mergers work when category is not the primary consideration. The NWA pilots brought different "equities" to the table and have "enjoyed" what amounts to a dynamic list.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1439201)
You know better than that Bar. Category was the exact primary consideration. It sure the hell wasn't longevity. The only slight modification from a pure category ratio was the small number of pull and plug. And the number of pulled & plugged pilots equaled the number of fNWA pilots that retired early within months of the SLI. Double that number now 3+ years later. You guys won the merger case, we lost it. Period. Life goes on.
Carl |
I was under the impression that personal medical information is confidential. If I have to send/fax my medical information, even in general terms, to some phone number at the company, that is obviously not private. This doesn't seem right to me. If I am required to send in a doctors note stating the general nature of my illness, maybe "he wasn't feeling 100%" will do.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1439206)
Primary was relative seniority, not category, FWIW
Your perennial whining about pull and plug is what's silly. It was a few hundred guys. Your side correctly worried about what would happen if those guys didn't retire and stayed til 65. Instead, that number of guys retired early months after the SLI was printed. Since then, over double that number have left early...exactly what we told the arbitrator would happen. But the arbitrator didn't buy it and only gave us partial credit for those guys. That's what happens when you lose. Life goes on. But I hope you don't have these discussions around fNWA guys. Kicking sand in the losers' face is unwise. Carl |
Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1439162)
The above highlighted area is the reality that you recognize as good. What should be happening is rather than being displaced every bid there should be advanced entitlements every bid. When that happens there are very few displacements. But you have never experienced that so you just assume that what you are currently experiencing is the norm and there for good.
I hope that one day you will have the opportunity to know what actual advancement is but I'm a little skeptical for the next 5-7 years, since it appears they are going to use the 75/76 to fund the 717 and 737. Or at least that is what they said 2 days ago in the crew resources letter.
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1439167)
Apparently though that isn't the case. Questions are being asked! The company is already making calls to pilots in the first few weeks of the program. If you DON'T answer the phone, you can expect not to be paid for your sick leave. Did we have THAT in the last contract? So that's not really a choice that works for most of us, is it?
The company is using the loophole created by the "good faith basis" language in the contract to require verification from whomever it deems worthy of harassment. THAT's the bottom line. Call your rep all you want, we codified this behavior and now it's the law. Although I suspect this completely violates the HIPAA Act of 1996. From a company email yesterday: "Q5.5: My CPO calls me regarding a good faith basis to inquire into the medical reason for my use of sick leave. Do I need to provide verification? A5.5: It depends. Based on the discussion, your CPO may either (1) consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or (2) require you to provide verification." So, "BASED ON THE DISCUSSION"- I may be required to provide verification... I guess that pretty much leaves it up to the CPO to decide, doesn't it? If I don't answer the phone, I'm not going to be getting paid sick leave, am I? What will my reps do to have my sick leave paid if I don't have this "discussion"? I suspect the answer is "nothing" because we specifically authorized this new sick leave harassment policy. We authorized it and the company created a NEW DEPARTMENT to administer it. Enjoy! Who told you that you can expect to not get paid? I don't see that anywhere. If you're not tapped out on your 100 hours of unverified sick time then you'll get paid. Don't answer your phone. You don't have to. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1439218)
Who told you that you can expect to not get paid? I don't see that anywhere. If you're not tapped out on your 100 hours of unverified sick time then you'll get paid. Don't answer your phone. You don't have to.
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Happy July 4th!!!!!
And word to the wise, careful driving through 80ktsclamp's neighborhood when he's letting the fireworks go... As 80 said "well, that sucked, I didn't mean for it to go so high!" :eek: Seriously would post "firework fails" from youtube but the profanity is too much. I think the F word is everyones favorite when $10 bombs go off in their face. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1439217)
Fine. Relative (ratioed) seniority with two airlines that had similar equipment. No difference.
Life goes on. But I hope you don't have these discussions around fNWA guys. Kicking sand in the losers' face is unwise. Carl On my end of the list, the differences were more dramatic. 76ER lineholders were merged with DC9 FO's, many of whom did not want to return to their NWA jobs and were out on furlough bypass. Along those lines, some of the A320 guys probably felt robbed too. It is what it is. I'll be polite, but damned if I'll cower.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1439217)
Life goes on. But I hope you don't have these discussions around fNWA guys. Kicking sand in the losers' face is unwise. Carl |
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