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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1356922)

Two points:

The crisis at Pinnacle was manufactured. Delta has committed nearly 2 Billion to their future success and has contracted for at least a dozen newly refurbished 50 seat jets this year (ref Republic 10K new business announcements for Delta). The created crisis was a justification to reset the race for the bottom in outsourced flying and already other ALPA pilot groups are facing concessionary demands from management to match Pinnacle.
The MEC has already announced its "finding" without so much as a conference call.

These Pinnacle negotiations were shameful and I understand completely why the Delta MEC isn't upset about not being involved. They have some concern about a DFR exposure, although it really does not matter. Either way ALPA would be on the hook (if there was a DFR issue, which I don't think there was). The "none of our business" strategy is ill considered. If you think you might get sued then you are a fool to blow off the Constitution and Bylaws and Admin Manual. Trial attorneys love procedural omissions because they can use these omissions to suggest to a Judge and Jury "why would they do xxx when their own guidelines state ..... must be a nepharious conspiracy ...."

As a Delta pilot it should really bother you that ALPA National is telling our MEC that other pilots negotiating with our management is none of our business. It should bother you even more that the Delta MEC is eager to accept that specious legal argument.

We can't be any more marginalized than to not even be aware that our management is negotiating with another pilot group. Inasmuch as D-ALPA accepts this position, they are irrelevant.

I agree that it should really bother you guys. We now have delta management running this place. They could make deals with each other all day. I havent read it but does being a subsidiary of delta change anything scope related? Does your scope clause prevent delta from giving us more 900s or god forbid anything larger?

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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1356934)

I have only posted a few times so take it easy on me. What the drone pilots do should be rewarded. Having it over these other awards is crazy though. I have been shot at numerous times. Landed on dirt LZs were the Navy seals just had a buddy hit. The highest award I have is an Air Medal and I am fine with that. The worst part of it all has been all the time I have spent from my family. If I could fly missions and see my family every night I would be a happy man. I just don't see how seeing your family could cause PTSD, unless its the wife telling me to vacuum when I want a beer.

Was outside weasel ops a few nights ago when a rocket landed and damaged two herks

Looking forward to coming back to Delta in a few weeks

Thank you for your service.....and placing yourself in harms way for the betterment of all of us.
After 13 years AD Navy, and finishing 13 more in the Reserves in August to a Reserve Retirement, I WHOLEHEARTED agree that this is a bullsh!t medal. Recognize these folks with a Air force Achievement Medal or Commendation Medal....placing it above combat action, really. No effin way!

Just heard SEA to LAS / ANC...

To be announced soon on mainline metal.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1356926)

I agree wholeheartedly. I have buds flying drones. It's not child's play and it has real dramatic and tragic results. I think they should be decorated....but not above those who've been directly under fire with loss of life potentially. I greatly value my Air Medal. It means that my ass was shot at repeatedly. Not to denigrate what the drone drivers are doing. Skill set? Absolutely. Same degree of mortality? No.

+1, Buzz.........Thanks for your service......I think you flew on the Grenada cluster F.... with one of my FDX buds.....interesting times. :eek:

Regards,
BG

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Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1356915)

Scambo,

I understand the DWM is worn above the Purple Heart and Bronze Star w/ V....insulting to direct combat participants.

Do you know for a fact that the Air Medal has been awarded to drone pilots ? Not devaluing their contribution and service, just questioning the appropriateness of these 2 awards.

Regards,
BG

BG;
One of my good buds, flying preds for the last 3 years, told me that they get air medals. I have nothing else to base it on except his word.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1356922)

The crisis at Pinnacle was manufactured.

Please ensure that you contact the courts and creditors committees, respectively. They would be most interested in your evidence supporting your allegations, as there are a whole lot of people losing a whole lot of money in this "manufactured" crisis.

You will be a hero.

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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1356968)

Bothering you and being a grievance are two different things. I am also under the impression that the MEC body has not made a final decision on the events at 9e. That includes the PWA, CBL and AM.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1356926)

I've found that those individuals really concerned about wearing medals and receiving awards are more interested in their personal advancement and intra-office/service politics than in the reason for the award of the medal. The guys that I know that really earned their decorations were more concerned about their unit members and mission, and were generally circumspect about what they could have done better rather than what they did.

Let ‘Em Rip: Study Finds Passengers Passing Gas Mid-Flight Healthy « CBS Charlotte

And the pull (my finger) quote:

Despite giving the all-clear for passengers to “just let it go,” researchers warned that pilots shouldn’t let one rip while in the cockpit.

“On the one hand, if the pilot restrains a fart, all the drawbacks previously mentioned, including impaired concentration, may affect his abilities to control the plane,” researchers said in the study, according to AFP. “On the other hand, if he lets go of the fart, his co-pilot may be affected by its odor, which again reduces safety onboard the flight.”

The study suggests that to deal with the smell of a passenger passing gas mid-flight, airlines should use charcoal to deal with the air up there.

Notice they only point the finger at the Captain. :D

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1356895)

Absolutely not. I understand that it stirs the pot, and see the frustration. What I think is immature, and unprofessional from other posters is the constant "broad brush berating" of "drone-drivers" when the person has no idea what the "drone-driver" did in their previous "military life".

Thanks for your level post.

GJ

GJ;

Just a point of order. I believe the conversation is about medals. What a medal recipient did in a previous assignment has nothing to do with the discussion.

I believe SSGT Sal Giunta's previous assignments included "sandwich artist" at subway. It was what he did in a particular situation in Afghanistan that made him medal worthy.