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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1356500)
They get air medals too...and a number of the enlisted drone techs are undergoing therapy for post traumatic stress disorder.
and next, alfaromeo will post something about how he, too, suffers from PTSD after being roughed up here while collecting FPL and furthering our "interests." After all, he's "in the arena." TIC...mostly. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1356605)
Ironically, the FPS games they play on their Xboxes or PS3s are probably far more violent then any of the "Predator Porn" causing their PTSD.
and next, alfaromeo will post something about how he, too, suffers from PTSD after being roughed up here while collecting FPL and furthering our "interests." After all, he's "in the arena." TIC...mostly. Working with a person who knows of the PTSD issue with drone pilots seems very real. Personnel stateside, get up before report, have family time, kid time and even coach youth sports, then go to work and fly a deadly drone half a world away. They complete a mission that is secret and involves weapons and may even be part of a friendly fire incident. Then at 5pm are expected to head home stop at the store for dinner, play with kids and act like nothing ever happened! The PTSD is real. How this new role fits into combat and real world home life is the issue. Apparently a lot of talk of making all drone personnel deploy (states or in country) to focus on the mission like frontline combat personnel. It is thought that this will help individuals deal with the realities and stresses of their jobs and their roles in it when away from "normal Life" Just a thought... |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1356170)
Big difference, fellow blowhard, when I took someone's money, I worked for them and supported them, I didn't tear them down in public.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1356170)
So pot don't meet kettle. If you want to take my money working for the union, don't tear it down.
Note to DALPA guys: You work for line pilots. You do that through the bargaining agent (ALPA) that we've decided to hire...but you work for us. Carl |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1356398)
alfa,
If you think TANS "work[s] for the MEC," is is he not in the arena? Are you not being "the critic," in this case? If he works for the MEC, hasn't he stepped up to improve pilots lives? :confused: Am I wrong, or is your argument evolving into a position where you believe it is not right to criticize anything DALPA, no matter what? ( ie., whether you are in the arena, or not.) Aren't you saying you want people to shut up and put on the happy face, no matter where they bring the message from? I'm just seeking a little clarity to go along with my box of popcorn. ;) Carl |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1356484)
They are all stand-up guys. What happens is that they end up in a bubble. In this bubble, they become one and most of them become sheep. This is is human nature. The DALPA/ALPA click does what is best for the click. At least that is what I am beginning to see.
TEN Carl |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1356183)
I don't think your analogy is all that good of one. One's a union, the other a business. As much as one might want to think of a union as a business it's truly not the same. Thus, not an appropriate analogy.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1356290)
I can't disagree any more. ALPA manages a $2 billion a year contract and their primary function is to conduct business negotiations. I have seen unions that operate in an every man for himself fashion and they are spectacularly unsuccessful. There is nothing easier than individuals in a union to spout off about how tough they are and how terrible every else is. Look at me, look at me, aren't I the tough one, don't you love me now? If you want an encounter group go call Dr. Phil. If you are managing my pay and benefits act like a business with some internal discipline. If you have no discipline then you can go back to sitting on the sidelines and throwing rocks. Don't take my money and then tear down the organization. If I wanted a mob I could get one much cheaper.
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1356632)
Disclaimer: I dont have consent to disclose my source, but general info is appropriate here, IMHO
Working with a person who knows of the PTSD issue with drone pilots seems very real. Personnel stateside, get up before report, have family time, kid time and even coach youth sports, then go to work and fly a deadly drone half a world away. They complete a mission that is secret and involves weapons and may even be part of a friendly fire incident. Then at 5pm are expected to head home stop at the store for dinner, play with kids and act like nothing ever happened! The PTSD is real. How this new role fits into combat and real world home life is the issue. Apparently a lot of talk of making all drone personnel deploy (states or in country) to focus on the mission like frontline combat personnel. It is thought that this will help individuals deal with the realities and stresses of their jobs and their roles in it when away from "normal Life" Just a thought... |
Originally Posted by pilotc90a
(Post 1356492)
I am stunned that we now award a medal for flying a drone that outweighs a bronze star...
Distinguished Warfare Medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sign the petition to stop the DWM: http://wh.gov/dfzD I apologize.. now back to your regularly scheduled programming... http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...-image0011.jpg |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1356689)
Well, you may not be able to disagree more, but I can point out more ways as to how the two have very little in common. To start with, where are the books on (D)ALPA? Where are the expense reports that point to where the money's going? Who's getting FPL, how much is spent on hotels, food, alcohol, oil paintings? A business has to disclose it's balance sheet and internal finances to outside agencies. And those within the company (management) get an even closer look. Here's another--what company forces you to pay for their service? I HAVE to pay my union whether I want to or not. So, no, not really a business as much as you'd like to think it is. Now if you consider a monopoly a business, well, maybe you have a point. But when a monopoly has the market cornered they don't really care too much about what their customer wants or thinks, so there is that point in your favor. Numerous other differences, but you get the picture.
There are way more required disclosures for a union than for a business. |
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