Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1356246)

You are seriously confused. I do not work for the MEC. You sure seem intent on trashing someone on the MEC you don't like though - as you attempt to chastise me for not supporting the same.

Are you suggesting CN was elected as payback for not getting your way on the EVP election?

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1356254)

Absolutely correct. Standup guy that will do a great job for the Delta pilots.

HK will also be missed for his experience and ability to simply explain complex topics. We really couldn't have gone wrong having either guy working on our behalf....

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1356297)

Who am I trashing?

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1356318)

The individual, apparently a full time ALPA volunteer, who you erroneously take me for. While you may not like my opinion or views which I'm fine with, I think you owe this unnamed volunteer an apology.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1356328)

There is no such thing as an ALPA "volunteer" if he is getting FPL. Those that come in on their days off and do work without FPL are volunteering. DALPA employee is more like it, for those on FPL. Pull up a schedule for any of the committee chairmen for the last year, and tell me that FPL is "volunteering". Especially the National Strike Committee Chairman who dropped two six day trips for FPL last summer that just so happened to touch the National Alpa meeting. 72 plus hours of pay from our dues money. He was working hard with the Pinnacle strike committee. That's why DALPA is losing the support of guys like me.

Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 1356339)

Yeah, it makes a ton of sense for a National union to let the smaller carriers go it alone, fail in the 1113C negotiations (or traditional Section 6) That sure would remove downward pressure on the bottom end of mainline compensation and flying :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1356000)

In other news, our own FO rep for NYC C66 has been elected as one of the members of the negotiating committee. CN has always been a pleasure to fly with and was responsive to my questions, complaints, and suggestions. He's a good addition to the Negotiators. IMO, of course.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1356343)

It makes a ton of sense for a national union to circumvent a large union (DALPA) to negotiate directly with their company for the guaranteed continued whipsaw of a smaller carrier (pncl). :rolleyes: That sure removes downward pressure on the bottom end of mainline compensation.

Strike committee...sheesh...what for? Who are we kidding?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1356290)

I can't disagree any more. ALPA manages a $2 billion a year contract and their primary function is to conduct business negotiations. I have seen unions that operate in an every man for himself fashion and they are spectacularly unsuccessful. There is nothing easier than individuals in a union to spout off about how tough they are and how terrible every else is. Look at me, look at me, aren't I the tough one, don't you love me now? If you want an encounter group go call Dr. Phil. If you are managing my pay and benefits act like a business with some internal discipline. If you have no discipline then you can go back to sitting on the sidelines and throwing rocks. Don't take my money and then tear down the organization. If I wanted a mob I could get one much cheaper.

Originally Posted by Free Mason (Post 1356355)

One is independent of the other.

Is it much better to have 2600 well qualified pilots on the street willing to work for Go Jet or below wages or is it better to find a way to keep 1000+ of those employed (possibly more depending on when the pulldown happens) reduce their wages to a smaller degree and convert the remainder of the needed savings in to reducing overall pilot longevity in return for a chance at a mainline job? (I see this trend expanding fwiw. The regional model is obsolete and the short term fix is reducing longevity with a carrot and a way out; mainline job expectations that are slight better than the average applicant)

The first issue of bad form of not notifying the DAL MEC is another thing completely. As far as I can tell our MEC is still studying the issue and possible long term ramifications.