Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1351311)

I found out a long time ago that if you step up and actually do something to improve pilots' lives, rather than just writing about it on a webboard, that you will subject yourself to this type of personal attack......

In the most difficult times I always relied on this quote from Winston Churchill:

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1356166)

Seriously, you are supposed to work for the MEC and you are on here trashing their decisions. Unbelievable. If you want to play internet blowhard then quit wasting my dues money in Atlanta and let someone else do the job.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1356290)

There is nothing easier than individuals in a union to spout off about how tough they are and how terrible every else is. Look at me, look at me, aren't I the tough one, don't you love me now? If you want an encounter group go call Dr. Phil. If you are managing my pay and benefits act like a business with some internal discipline. If you have no discipline then you can go back to sitting on the sidelines and throwing rocks. Don't take my money and then tear down the organization. If I wanted a mob I could get one much cheaper.

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1356359)

The next ballot card should say:

A) ALPA

B) DPA

C) Mob

Personally, I'll be going with C. Who's with me!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1356442)

Our Flight Attendants did not lose their retirements in BK, they are now back to pre-42% pay cut pay levels, they got everything WE got in stock and pay raises coming out of BK, they get MORE PER DIEM than we get, and yet they don't have to pay dues to anyone! :eek:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1356442)

I'm IN!

MOB RULE!

Our Flight Attendants did not lose their retirements in BK, they are now back to pre-42% pay cut pay levels, they got everything WE got in stock and pay raises coming out of BK, they get MORE PER DIEM than we get, and yet they don't have to pay dues to anyone! :eek:

And they have a real rest facility on the 330, while we are losing ours!

Oh, and they don't have to wear hats!:D

I have always said they have more leverage by simply THREATENING to vote in a Union, than we ever had, with our pro-active Union! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1356446)

...and they didn't have to give up any profit sharing to get all of that. :(

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1356454)

Timbo;

I does make me want to facepalm sometimes. What am I missing?

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1356359)

The next ballot card should say:

A) ALPA

B) DPA

C) Mob

Personally, I'll be going with C. Who's with me!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1356359)

The next ballot card should say:

A) ALPA

B) DPA

C) Mob

Personally, I'll be going with C. Who's with me!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1356459)

I've often wondered what would happen if we voted out the Union entirely, then went to the Compnay and said, "You will now pay us above SWA rates, on our 737's and up from there, or we will vote in the Teamsters!"

If we have no Collective Bargaining Agreement with the Company, ie. no contract, there's nothing to keep us from a wildcat strike, right? I'm no labor lawyer, but it seems the F/A's always do better than we do, just by threatening to get a union.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1356459)

I've often wondered what would happen if we voted out the Union entirely, then went to the Compnay and said, "You will now pay us above SWA rates, on our 737's and up from there, or we will vote in the Teamsters!"

If we have no Collective Bargaining Agreement with the Company, ie. no contract, there's nothing to keep us from a wildcat strike, right? I'm no labor lawyer, but it seems the F/A's always do better than we do, just by threatening to get a union.