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Imapilot2 12-19-2012 05:06 AM

atl dc9 closes on next ae, atl 717 opens 100 crews and dtw 73 opens with 20 crews, correct?

sailingfun 12-19-2012 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1314867)
atl dc9 closes on next ae, atl 717 opens 100 crews and dtw 73 opens with 20 crews, correct?

No, it's mostly incorrect. DC9 category remains open. ATL 767 domestic closes. 717 and 737 part is right however based on the 737 airframes coming there will be additional flying in other bases. The biggest detail from a pilot perspective is how much of the 767 flying is transferred to the 7er category and how much goes away. The next bid will not provide a complete answer since its a 1 year bid and a planned June bid will have adjustments.

DLpilot 12-19-2012 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1314867)
atl dc9 closes on next ae, atl 717 opens 100 crews and dtw 73 opens with 20 crews, correct?

Not closing dc9 yet. Closing ATL 767 domestic.

Free Bird 12-19-2012 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1314861)
Sending money to ALPA national to subsidize DCI pilot groups who are trying to undercut us is an asinine proposition.

I agree, and that money could be better spent on lawyers and labor negotiators that can figure out what to do when the company breaks our contract in regards to non AF JV compliance.

nwaf16dude 12-19-2012 05:53 AM

I don't see not wanting to fly international as a reason for a 767 guy to avoid the ER. There is so much domestic flying in the category now that nobody has to fly international if they don't want to, except for a reserve guy occasionally. Hoping that 767 guys will bid to the 73 is kind of a pipe dream.

boog123 12-19-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1314872)
No, it's mostly incorrect. DC9 category remains open. ATL 767 domestic closes. 717 and 737 part is right however based on the 737 airframes coming there will be additional flying in other bases. The biggest detail from a pilot perspective is how much of the 767 flying is transferred to the 7er category and how much goes away. The next bid will not provide a complete answer since its a 1 year bid and a planned June bid will have adjustments.

So the "next" bid will be the big one for all the upgrades. Not the "next" bid, but the "next, next" bid.

Bucking Bar 12-19-2012 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1314861)
It's all a complete waste. It's an incredible conflict of interest.

Sending money to ALPA national to subsidize DCI pilot groups who are trying to undercut us is an asinine proposition.

Your not understanding that ALPA partners in this outsourcing and we permit it, is asinine. ALPA actively encourages cut throat competition at the regional carriers in the hope their low costs subsidize our pay.

UnusualAttitude 12-19-2012 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1314861)

Sending money to ALPA national to subsidize DCI pilot groups who are trying to undercut us is an asinine proposition.

You obviously have no idea what is happening in the regional airline industry right now. NO ONE IS TRYING TO UNDERCUT YOU. In fact most are just trying with increasing difficulty to raise the bar among peer groups or simply survive.

Columbia 12-19-2012 07:18 AM

Wow-what a 2 week run. I'll take my 450% gain on the Dec 10 calls. Hope no one was writing them.

forgot to bid 12-19-2012 07:21 AM

Remember this is what crew planning said about the 9.

A) They can only train two new crews a month,
B) They know that the 717 is a new category and that the freeze 9 pilots have on the 9 does not apply going to either the 717 or DTW 73, so that means 9 pilots could leave and they can't train enough 9 pilots to stay so they increased the number of 9 pilots to add a buffer.
C) So they're overstaffing the 9 so as to have a buffer against pilots leaving and because of the slow training rate. Whatever must be done to keep trips from being cancelled due to a lack of pilots.

I'm sure their worst nightmare is all of the 9 pilots bidding 717 and most being senior to those pilots outside of the 9 that would bid the 717. Wouldn't everyone convert in seniority order? I've got to go check the contract how that works.

Maybe their hope is A320 guys MD to the 717?


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