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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1314129)
Yeah pro football players have a lot going for them of which you should be envious. Many are crippled by the age of 40... early onset Alzheimer's.. all those really cool things.. not to mention what happens to their toolbox from all the steroids. :eek:
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
(Post 1314172)
PNCL's carrot doesn't exist. DALPA has to agree to a flow thru. That will NEVER happen. They did already agree to 35% of new hire classes being be filled with ALPA pilots affected by downsizing. Hopefully that will help the Comair and Pinnacle guys when Delta hires again.
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
(Post 1313915)
I fail to see the logic that one job interview at Compass is a vastly superior litmus test, to providing 13-17 years of safe transportation as a Northwest Airlink/Delta Connection feeder. The guys that would have flowed under the old agreement are not 25 year old kids. They are in their 40's and older. My friends that did flow haven't met a single CA that had an issue with the flow.
Originally Posted by xjcrew1
(Post 1313865)
A five minute interview vs 13-17 years of service for NWA/DAL. Your logic escapes me. But don't worry, DAL won't flow us.
Maybe regionals do a 5 min interview, but DAL (and NWA) do/did not. As others have said, it is as much of a personality check as it is a proficiency check. By your logic anyone that has flown for 13-17 years should get a pass. Let's flow all of those mil pilots that flew for 12-20 years. They are obviously trainable and proficient. Let's just keep the interview process as it is and let the flow be directly to an interview. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1313918)
Reading about flows is a lot like watching Mark Sanchez playing quarterback.
http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content...0/headshot.jpg hey, it's better than talking about flows, eh? |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1314187)
DALPA does not have to sign off on a flow agreement, but if they did, national would make them.
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Originally Posted by ExAF
(Post 1314192)
I can't believe I'm going to respond to this, but...
Maybe regionals do a 5 min interview, but DAL (and NWA) do/did not. As others have said, it is as much of a personality check as it is a proficiency check. By your logic anyone that has flown for 13-17 years should get a pass. Let's flow all of those mil pilots that flew for 12-20 years. They are obviously trainable and proficient. Let's just keep the interview process as it is and let the flow be directly to an interview. Q-what are the two things a NWA pilot has that a Legacy Delta pilot doesn't? A-A leather jacket hanging in the closet and a rejection letter from Delta Airlines. |
Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1314224)
Oh that's right. The Compass and Mesaba flow agreements buried in the back of my PWA are there just to look good.
Whatever makes you feel happy as a "Delta pilot" though. |
Originally Posted by xjcrew1
(Post 1313833)
My thoughts, the airplane I've flown for the last 13 years were owned by NWA/DAL. The paint the emergency briefing cards, everything signified to the passengers that it was a mainline airplane. I have already been a "NWA/DAL" pilot for years. Just with inferior pay, support structure (management). Get off your high horse.
You were never selected, interviewed nor offered employment having gone through the NWA/DAL pilot hiring standards. But I am sure you know that. I also have a feeling that when (and if) you are hired by Delta your “high horse” will be taller than the average. Sorry, just a thought. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1314238)
Those two flows were negotiated between NWALPA and NWA mgt, we had little say in it. Those agreements were to meet the demands of the NWA bankruptcy contract.
DALPA clearly tipped their hand on how they felt about flows in the Summer of 2010 when they opted out of the full negotiated extent of the letters. DAL would have honored the full agreement, but DALPA (and DAL) wanted out, so they shut it down. Sure we have 300-400 more flows to go, but that's it. Our pilot selection process and our training methods aren't compatible with just anyone. I hate to sound so egomaniacal when I say that, but having been through the process, I can assure you it has a specific target that is, honestly, a rare breed. So by all means - keep dreaming. Want a free ticket to our list? You'll have to merge with us. |
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