Slow, or Mesaba,

Should any pilot be able to flow, regardless of qualifications, suitability for Delta Air Lines, or acts which would disqualify them for Delta employment?

It is my opinion the right to a Delta job comes with a Delta seniority number. If they do not have a number, we should not "owe" them anything. Further, ALPA should not engage in bargaining which trades in the promise of future employment. This agreement was nothing but "free eyewash" to distract from a scope arrangement which is a form of union sanctioned outsourcing.

If ALPA wants to make these offers, then unity must be achieved through a single seniority list which protects pilots' longevity. In that case they become Delta pilots, pay dues and we've got responsibility for them.

Mesaba had some pretty dark days in the depth of its bankruptcy. The economic reality was grim. In contrast ASA and Comair had industry leading contracts and actually attracted quite a few of the pilots Delta would have typically hired ... former Military and even a few furloughed Delta pilots.
It is a bit galling that D-ALPA would "fight to preserve" NWA's deals while voting against the pilots at ASA and Comair at the 2000 Board of Director's meeting.

Not only are flow throughs a bad idea, Delta has no idea what it is getting itself into with the battle hardened veterans of one of the ugliest economic puppies in the liter.

I have no idea why D-ALPA would do anything more for Mesaba pilots than it did for ASA pilots who worked with ASA management to help Delta's bid restricted second officers and who gladly offered a hand on board our airlines when Delta furloughed.

I think the deal here is strictly between 9EALPA and Delta management, I doubt DALPA was consulted or if they were, will deny involvement since it would be likely unfavorable in the view of most mainline pilots. I for one do not want a flow at all, of any kind. However, the senior guys here have lack of options and must go for what they can. That said, are we entitled to a job? No, but that doesn't mean we can't negotiate for one. Management controls the hiring, so why they have changed their minds suddenly from a few years ago, we can only speculate. I can tell you my hunch is that management realizes that no one will work for these places without some sort of future incentive. The pilot shortage is going to be in full swing for the regionals in a very short time.

It's been my experience being a captain during the boom hiring here that the problem people were the high time guys coming from 135 or corporate that were starting over at a regional. I rarely had a problem with a 200 hour wonder, except this one occasion were the kid disappeared to take a tour of the fire station in the middle of his preflight. So I think there is nothing good to come in the future, but it is what it is. It's only a matter of time before the continual beating down of the profession manifests itself as poor candidates at mainline with little consideration for a proper vetting process.

That's funny right there...

It kills me that all the talk today has been about the Jets. I haven't heard one single word about what a great game Jake Locker played last night... not one.

Really???? All I keep hearing about is how important the W2 is. Who has a better one that will be hiring in the next few years?

Besides, flying an airliner ain't rocket surgery. The med school student that graduates last in his class is still called "Doctor".

I thought it was Dentist.

The way he's going these days, he won't be able to "consummate" his marriage either. He's terrible.

A truly worthy cause:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...idays/lQm9KtKB

That's a cause I can get behind!! I plan to do my part.

Next AE
 

Just read SD letter about the next AE. Anyone have an idea of how many A320 positions their looking to displace and what are the likely bases this occurs?

Thanks

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1314372-post142.html

Pinnacle took pilots with no interview according to this poster.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1314373-post143.html

A one armed pilot is not going to be able to fly our MD88's. DO we allow a carve out of our seniority system for these flow throughs?

Very curious how these entitlements work.