Sure, because the company would never cheat or get caught speeding on our contractual JV language. And if they did, DALPA would never roll over. :rolleyes:

You don't think all those improvements pre Sec 6 were gifts, do you? ;)

Agreed.

I believe the process works. Those who have worked to get to Delta will be hired by Delta. As things stand now, there will be room for them. But, if several varieties of preferenced programs come into play, then there is less opportunity for those who have applied themselves to the task.

I was just pointing out Pinnacle's proposed changes to Delta's PWA are inconsistent with ALPA's goals as outlined in our Administrative Manual.

Bar

I may be reading this different from you but I saw nothing about the Delta scope provisions. I do not believe there is anywhere in our contract that states we can dictate who they can hire other than the 35% DCI.

If Delta came out tomorrow and said they were going to hire the top 1000 Pinnacle guys with no interviews. Not a flow thru a straight up here is your seniority number you are now a Delta pilot what could DALPA do?

I'm sure there's no problem with DAL making a decision on who to hire...

But if it turns out the Pinnacle MEC did indeed sit at a table with Pinnacle and Delta management without a DALPA rep present, there is a big problem.

Remember our union was legally obligated to meet and confer with the MECs of the affected DCI carriers when we were crafting a new contract.

As the exclusive bargaining agent with Delta the least we can expect is for a DALPA representative to be present and involved in those talks...

Our contract and the ALPA policy manual requires it.
They get to see our contract, why would we not get to see theirs?

Cheers
George

Apples and Oranges. Let us take your first scenario which I will call "left over bargaining."

There is nothing in our contract which states which regional performs our permitted flying which we outsource. There have been multiple attempts for regional carriers to secure this "left over bargaining" for themselves. Every attempt has been met with a quick letter, via certified mail, from ALPA's President, copied to the President of the involved Air Carriers asserting Article IV, Section 2 of ALPA's Constitution and Bylaws and the Railway Labor Act's exclusivity provisions. In simple terms, only Delta's MEC has the right to negotiate with Delta management. Those talks may be authorized by ALPA National, but the Delta MEC retains local autonomy.
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Scenario 2 ... Delta says we are going to hire .... Then I say, GREAT! Give them seniority numbers and all the representational rights they are entitled to.

But what has been proposed is a reordering of the intent of the Delta Pilot Working Agreement. It is, in my view, an unauthorized change which should be stopped within ALPA's own ministrative processes, and if it should survive to operable language, could be grieved by the Delta pilots as a violation of our contract.
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So, what you are saying is that regional airlines are not abiding by the terms of the Ford-Cooksey settlement agreement...

That's hilarious ... and maybe just a bit, nah, couldn't be :)

Nope still proudly have my Mesaba Airlines Tags. Will never forget my roots!

Random question, do you ever get tired of pi$$ing in DALPAs' Cheerios?

He never runs out....