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Originally Posted by Will (Post 1316347)

I couldn't agree with you more about the uniform. Self pride and discipline goes a long way. First impressions are lasting impressions.

Maybe waive the cog tests but make us go through the HR interview. Nobody should be scared to sit down and be themselves and let the company decide if they are a good fit or not.

How have the Compass and Mesaba flows worked out? I knew a lot of the guys that flowed and most of them were great pilots to fly with. They all had great personalities and skills.

This is what I have heard.... With a quota per class. Well see if it is true.

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1316340)

While it is true the company can hire whomever it wants and set the conditions for employment, this will certainly have an effect on the overall makeup of the pilot group. I am not happy about it because it does lower standards overall when pilots win such lotteries. I know there will be good pilots that deserve to be here but there are also the likes of the pinnacle FO in line at Starbucks last week in MSP wearing a white long sleeve sweat shirt under his short sleeve pilot shirt. That is no joke! Captain and I were speechless! An FCR followed but I am sure it will go no where.:mad:

I think in fact we have agreed previously in the last contract....35% of new hire classes will be made up of previous ALPA pilots (something to that effect), FIG exactly where do you perceive the lowering of standards? The current pilot group has went through BK, the current pilot group has the same issues as any other group, perhaps we just do not want to acknowledge it.

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Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1316399)

I think in fact we have agreed previously in the last contract....35% of new hire classes will be made up of previous ALPA pilots (something to that effect), FIG exactly where do you perceive the lowering of standards? The current pilot group has went through BK, the current pilot group has the same issues and any other group, perhaps we just do not want to acknowledge it.

With first hand experience flying with the senior cadre at Pinnacle, that is a group of pilots that is stuck there for a reason (with a few exceptions). You talk about lowering standards- that is the bottom of the bottom. Bad pilots, worst personalities, and napoleon complexes abound.

Most of my time as an FO there was spent watching them and learning what not to do as a captain.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1316414)

80 - I agree with you. One of my concern is those at the top of the list at Pinnacle who are not motivated enough to put the effort into applying and getting hired at Delta. Most of those folks at the top have had a few chances to get hired at Delta (or UAL, CAL, UPS, Fedex, SW) in the past 5 years and have passed it up (or been passed over). I would really not like to have unmotivated new hires here at Delta.

Sure - the hiring process was tough here (and at pmNW) - detailed application, attention to details, CBT tests, interview, MMPI, and yes, the psych interview. But - that's what has separated the people who are too lazy to apply from those who want to work for a great airline.

I don't want them to get to Delta just because they waited around long enough and no one else wanted them.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1316414)

Well, the good news I guess is a flow doesn't guarantee you get to keep the job you didn't apply for. The cheapest way to send someone packing is to do so in new hire class, which they've done.

OK ... so what if a requirement to interview X number a month and hire at least 50 percent of those interviewed? ... sounds strange to me also ...
... new hire class is not something to be afraid of at Delta. A very small handfull don't complete and as often as not they had also interviewed elsewhere and bugged out for FedEx or SWA. ... and just as often as not we have pilots who left other majors to come here.

Rumor coming out of the roadshow is once you guys start hiring, they have to hire 12 a month, and that number increases yearly. Should reach everyone on the Pinnacle list within 5 years. Will consist of a cog test, written and panel interview. So it's not a straight flow.

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Originally Posted by Will (Post 1316268)

I agree with every Delta pilots concern on being directly hired without an interview. The way I see it, Delta management hires the pilots not DALPA. Delta does not have to ask the union who they can and cannot hire. Once hired DALPA will manage the seniority list. If Delta management wants to change the hiring process they don't have to ask the unions permission. I am not trying to make this confrontational just looking at what I believe can and cannot happen.

Agreed! I think the Long-Shoreman Union hire themselves.

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Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 1316275)

I totally agree. However, for every Gulfstream guy, there's a pilot at Pinnacle that went about it the right way, has a degree, humble about where he's at and only wants a chance to interview at Delta. Please don't lump the entire pilot group with these Gulfstream guys. It's bad enough I have to fly with some of these clowns on a daily basis.

Ohh Man, Gulfstream guys.....:(

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1316366)

Thank you for illustrating why a flow is beyond a bad idea. There are WAY too many bad apples at 9E for a flow to be allowed. There are a lot of great guys... screening has to be required for them to be allowed to come over so we can get the good ones and let the crazies die on the vine.

I think the Majority of Pinnacle pilots are professional and have been representing NWA and Delta with great enthusiasm and professionalism.. THese pilots deserve the chance to fly for Delta.

On the other-hand, I have witnessed some 9e pilots that are sloppy, arrogant, rude, and have an entitlement attitude. These pilots need to be selectively weeded out. How? I dont know.

TEN

12 a month? Wow. But there is an interview. Intriguing. Could work out for the mid seniority guys if everything you guys have been saying is true.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1316496)

12 a month? Wow. But there is an interview. Intriguing. Could work out for the mid seniority guys if everything you guys have been saying is true.

Not only an interview but Delta has to have access to all Pinnacle, Mesaba and Colgan training records. 12 a month I initially but it increases. Don't know by how much. Maybe tied to your hiring needs.